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As I recall SPS was the acronym for Symbolic Programming System. My first job out of college in September, 1963, was as a programmer trainee on an IBM 1401 card system using SPS. Back then computer science curricula had not yet been established. Programming education was available from IBM, and the cost was bundled into the price of the hardware. This was one of the factors that led to the Justice Department anti-monopoly suit against Big Blue in the late 60's. There was a utility language, which was probably a predecessor to RPG. It was called FARGO, 1401 Automatic Report Generating Option. I started programming "small business computers" in 1972 with the System/3. I once worked on a S/3 Model 6 with 8K of "core". Your code became very concise, and processes were heavily modularized because the operating system required 2.5K. I seem to recall that IBM marketed the S/3 and RPG as not requiring professional programming. The intent was to teach RPG to the customer employees. I wonder how many of them understood the cycle? Patrick Somers Computer Systems For Business Downers Grove, IL Psomers@csi.com -----Original Message----- From: INTERNET:MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 1:13 PM To: INTERNET:MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: Re: RE: *** ADMIN: New poll topic on www.midrange.com I may have 99% of the list beat as far as years ago is concerned. Started programming on an IBM 1620 computer using SPS in March 1963. First midrange was November 1981, System 38 model D using COBOL. Dave Willenborg MIS Manager J. C. Robinson Seed dwillenborg@jcrob.com >1971. That was 28 years ago this past January. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Williams [mailto:Williamsc@technocrats.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 9:05 AM > To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com' > Subject: RE: *** ADMIN: New poll topic on >www.midrange.com > > What year was that, if I may be so bold! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lurton Keel [mailto:Lurton.Keel@serx.com] > Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 2:23 PM > To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com' > Subject: RE: *** ADMIN: New poll topic on www.midrange.com > > > I didn't see my first system listed either, >so I picked > the > Sys/3. > The first system I worked on was an IBM 1130 >with 8k of > memory running Fortran with Commercial Subroutines. > >+--- >| This is the Midrange System Mailing List! >| To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. >| To subscribe to this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-SUB@midrange.com. >| To unsubscribe from this list send email to >MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. >| Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: >david@midrange.com >+--- > > >--- Internet Message Header Follows --- >Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90) > by mail.jcrob.com (FirstClass Mail Server v5.11) > transient id 50; 11:03:44 AM +0100 >Received: from uucphost.mcs.net (Uucp1.mcs.net [192.160.127.93]) by >Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA06366; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 >11:03:54 -0500 (CDT) >Received: (from uucp@localhost) > by uucphost.mcs.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07211; > Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:03:49 -0500 (CDT) >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by midrange.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13369 > for midrange-l-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:46:04 -0500 >Received: (from uucp@localhost) > by midrange.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id KAA13253 > for MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:32:48 -0500 >Received: from ns1.serx.com ([12.6.169.199]) > by uucphost.mcs.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03696 > for <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:15:03 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from serx_fs1.serx.com by ns1.serx.com > via smtpd (for Uucp1.mcs.net [192.160.127.93]) with SMTP; 12 >Apr 1999 15:15:03 UT >Received: by serx_fs1.serx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) > id <2W6V4S0B>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:18:26 -0500 >Message-ID: <366304554684D211ABB100A0C9D17BFE2E628B@serx_fs1.serx.com> >From: Lurton Keel <Lurton.Keel@SERX.COM> >To: "'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'" <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> >Subject: RE: *** ADMIN: New poll topic on www.midrange.com >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:18:23 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) >Content-Type: text/plain >Sender: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com >Errors-To: list-errors@midrange.com >X-List-Name: Midrange Systems Mailing List (MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com) +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! 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