RE: IBM pushing Java

[Colin Williams <Williamsc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

My point exactly, software development companies can't change
applications overnight, it takes a lot of planning (look at all the man
hours that went into Y2K changes, for example!), and resources. Would
any company that had decided to go from RPG to JAVA retrain all there
existing staff, or would they just go out and hire JAVA experts from the
marketplace, and retrain them to AS/400? 

If individual employees are changing the odd program here and there from
RPG to JAVA in their companies applications, what happens if those
developers leave the company to take up a well paid job developing new
JAVA apps with someone else, and leave there old company with these JAVA
apps and no - one to support them. I'm just trying to say that things
like this need planning and consultation, and just jumping in and
changing your companies code off your own back could be risky.

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Stone, Brad V (PP)
[mailto:bvstone@ppress-tc.com]
                Sent:   Tuesday, March 23, 1999 3:13 PM
                To:     'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
                Subject:        RE: IBM pushing Java

                And it also didn't say everyone was rushing to purchase
it.  How many RPG
                programmers (outside of the folks that participate on
mailing lists,
                newsgroups, etc) would welcome management implementing a
new package written
                in java?  I would say very few.  And a new system, no
matter what language
                it's written in, is "plug and play".

                Interesting story here.  Recently the corp I work for
aquired a new company.
                They were running a unix system and in the middle of
converting everything
                to java.  Now, they are losing the unix box and
implementing an AS/400.
                They started talking about how they'd have to redo most
of the system.  Me,
                being cynical, said "just port the java code... it's
portable, right?"

                Ahhh... we forgot about database differences (field
names, data types,
                etc)....  

                When companies like JDEdwards, MAPICS, etc start selling
fully functionals
                packages written entirely in java, and that is all they
are offering, then
                we will know java is here to stay.  But, I can almost
guarentee that will
                never happen.

                Brad

                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: Colin Williams
[mailto:Williamsc@technocrats.co.uk]
                > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 8:09 AM
                > To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
                > Subject: RE: IBM pushing Java
                > Importance: High
                > 
                > 
                > Right, so that's a definite 2 companies that have JAVA
apps, out of a
                > possible how many 100's...?
                > 
                >               -----Original Message-----
                >               From:   mcrump@ballfoster.com
                > [mailto:mcrump@ballfoster.com]
                >               Sent:   Tuesday, March 23, 1999 1:17 PM
                >               To:     MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
                >               Subject:        RE: IBM pushing Java
                > 
                > 
                > 
                >               Intentia's ERP has been completely
rewritten in
                > server-side Java (ported from
                >               RPG no less).  Check out:
                > 

http://www1.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=logon&xu=guest&request=usa
                .pressreleases&parms=P_1998111702

                                You also have Lotus' Websphere
products.....

                                I am sure there are others but I haven't
had the time to
                track down.....


                                Which large application has been written
in JAVA?






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