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I think it's related to how jobs are started in response to incoming APPC request. It depends on how communication entries are set in subsystem description, which should process the request. All below is valid if remote partner sends APPC request with <security same> and provides only userID. If default userID was set for corresponding APPC device/mode, than SECURE location can be *NO. Job will be started with specified default userID. If there's no default userID then job should be started with the same userID used on remote system. If only userID was sent (and no password), then local system has no way to verify the validity of request. You need to specify SECURE location *YES - then local system will trust remote system verification. Otherwise request will be rejected with SNA sense code 080F6051, which means security violation. You may want to check your subsystem description settings, to be sure that job is started with intended userID. Best regards Alexey Pytel Joey Stasinakis <jstasinakis@datamirror.com> on 01/11/99 10:51:29 AM Please respond to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com To: "'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'" <MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com> cc: Joe Oliveira <joliveira@datamirror.com>, Ronald del Rosario <rrosario@datamirror.com> (bcc: Alexei Pytel/Rochester/IBM) Subject: RE: Data Mirror start failure Hello, My name is Joey and I work at DataMirror Corporation as a Senior Product Support Specialist. The communications issue Andrei Centea was experiencing has been resolved. In some circumstances OS/400 upgrades have subtle modifications in the Communications modules. The Secure location parameter in the APPC device configuration had to be changed to a value of *YES. Prior to the OS/400 upgrade the value was *NO and everything was functional. This parameter confirms whether the local system allows the remote system to verify user passwords and to send an already verified indicator with the program start requests. o *YES: Security validation by the remote system should be accepted. Regards, Joey Stasinakis Senior Product Support Specialist Datamirror Corporation 3100 Steeles Ave. East, Suite 700 Markham, Ontario, Canada L3R 8T3 Phone: 905/415-0310 Fax: 905/415-0340 -----Original Message----- From: acentea@forzani.com [mailto:acentea@forzani.com] Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:26 AM To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com Subject: Data Mirror start failure Hi all. We use Data Mirror (DM) for our synchronization purposes, on a temporary basis ( 6-7 times a year, for one week each). Both source and target systems are AS/400. We never had problems until now, DM was perfect for us. Last time it was used, versions were V3R1 for OS/400 and V4R0 for DM. Meanwhile, I had upgraded both, OS/400 is gone to V3R2 and DM to V4R2. Versions are compatible. Still, the launch is getting me back with a communication error: _________________________________________________ CPD3B53 Diagnostic 40 To module . . : DMXCOMM To procedure : rcv_sna Statement . . : 14 Message . . . . : Remote system rejected attempt to start program for conversation A. Cause . . . . . : The remote system has rejected the attempt by the local program to start a program in that system with Systems Network Architecture (SNA) sense data of 080F6051. There is an interface problem between the local and the target programs, as identified by the following sense data: -- 080F6051 - The system did not accept the supplied security value. Job description . . . . . . : DMCJOBD Recovery . . . : Perform one of the following recovery actions: -- 080F6051 - The default security value for CPI-Communications conversations is SAME. Either configure the target system to accept an already verified user identifier or use a default user identifier. _________________________________________________ A technical request made to their customer support was not yet solved. The Help Desk guys are still dealing with the problem from last thursday. Extra info to complete the image: - Data Mirror user configuration has not been changed (same tables, same systems, same communication lines and descriptions). In fact only OS/400 and DM versions have changed. - Product is well installed on both machines (as of authorization code or other). - Authorities are *ALL for the user who makes the launch. - SNA is working well (passthru valid from each system to the other one) - Same message comes when using different users, including QSECOFR. - LIBL, QSNADS and D_MIRROR SBS settings, CTLD and DEVD were all checked by their Help Desk. - all implied users are *ENABLED, with password expiration set to *NOMAX Until I receive a solution from their Help Desk guys (and they seem to be late), I would appreciate any suggestion from other DM users ... Thanks, Andrei Centea The Forzani Group Ltd. 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