RE: Certification

["Stone, Brad V (TC)" <bvstone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Funny thing about this.  There is more than money, as you point out.  I
have turned down offers well over 20% just because of the area the jobs
were located.  I enjoy the security of the town I live in now.  When the
time comes, I will make a move.  Many things will be taken into
consideration to figure "the right time", money is one of them.

Bradley V. Stone        
bvstone@taylorcorp.com
http://prairie.lakes.com/~bvstone/
"Robble Robble" - The Hamburgler

        ----Original Message-----
        From:   Scott Cornell [SMTP:CORNELLS@MERCYHEALTH.COM]
        Sent:   Friday, April 03, 1998 8:57 AM
        To:     MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
        Subject:        Certification

        >>> David Brown (HAVEAJOB@AOL.COM 04/02/98 09:47am>>>
        <<Snip>>
        > she felt that a 10% raise was not worth her making a move.  Oh
        > well....

        >>> DAsmussen <DAsmussen@aol.com> 04/02/98 07:01pm >>>
        >Doooh!  What is _UP_ with this??!!  Is the "6% increase
warrants a
        > job change" rule no longer in force?
        <<Snip>>
        > Why the _HECK_ did you get into this business, then?  
        <<Snip>>

        Well, I'd say it depends on the "business" you're in.  IF, in
this
        industry, one wants to pursue the real money and varied
technical
        challenges, one obviously chooses to be a consultant.  At that
point,
        I'd have to agree with you - constant travel is the norm and why
the
        heck would one turn down a full year contract (presuming you
were
        offering market values in terms of cash)?  

        But, if one expressly chooses the warm & comfy security blanket
of a
        permanent position, then other things start to factor in. I've
        personally twice turned down offers from outside employers for
        more than 10% increases in salary.  The reasons are varied and
not
        limited to simply "I like the security of 8-5" (which isn't even
        guaranteed anyway - I get my share of "HELP THE NIGHTLY BATCH
JOB
        PUKED" calls @11:00 pm :))  Other things weigh in too, like A) I
like
        where I live - my family moved a lot so I never spent more than
1
        year in any place growing up 'till I was a teenager...I'd kinda
like to
        spare my kids that constant uprooting; B) I get exceptional
bennies
        where I work...6 weeks paid time off, very nice health care for
me &
        my family, employer paid pension AND matching dollars into the
        employee investment plan, etc...those are worth a lot even in
        absolute dollar terms; C) I've built a certain reputation in my
office
        as the resident "propeller head" which gives me both the respect
of
        my co-workers as well as a pretty broad purview for interesting
        assignments (such as they are - we ain't exactly bleeding edge
here :))
        - I'd have to rebuild that somewhere else. 

        Anyway, point is, it's not always strictly "money .vs. time at
home" - if it
        was, I'd quit here, start my own business and work from home -
then
        I'd have the money AND be home 100% of the time, see the kiddies
        every day, etc.!  Now admittedly, there's no guarantee that I
won't
        change my outlook some time - being a cube dweller isn't all
THAT
        exciting.  But right now, looking at all the factors, someone'd
        probably have to offer REALLY big % increases (or some NFL team
        would have to decide they needed an slightly old, slightly
        under-sized, slightly un-talented nose tackle :)) - to get me
outta
        here.  Thus, it make perfect sense to me that "10% just ain't
        enough..." to switch permanent positions and definitely isn't
enough to
        jump into the consulting area.  At least not for me, maybe not
for
        David's client, and maybe not for a lot of people.  It's a
"sellers"
        market for IT talent these days, and people can afford to be
        choosey, especially if they're not in all that much of a hurry
to bail
        out of what they're currently in.

        FWIW
        Scott Cornell
        Mercy Information Systems
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