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So let me see if I have this right: If I upgraded from V3R7 to V4R1 I wouldn't have paid and upgrade fee for any of the LPP that stayed V3 (RPG. CBL. etc) at that time since I wasn't changing versions for those products. Now when I upgrade from V4R1 to V4R2 I don't have to pay a fee for these products because it's "unfair." BUT, if I stayed on V3R7 and waited for V4R2 I WILL have to pay version fees for these products, effectively a penalty for not going to V4R1. Talk about unfair. Is this correct? -Walden -----Original Message----- From: mcsnet!midrange.com!midrange-l-owner@Mcs.Net [mailto:mcsnet!midrange.com!midrange-l-owner@Mcs.Net]On Behalf Of Al Barsa, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 1998 7:40 PM To: midrange-L@midrange.com Subject: MORE V4R2 PRICING: IBM WAIVES V4R1 TO V4R2 UPGRADE CHARGES The following item appeared in NEWSWire/400-03.11.98 today: MORE V4R2 PRICING: IBM WAIVES V4R1 TO V4R2 UPGRADE CHARGES In response to complaints from customers hit with unexpected charges to upgrade from V4R1 to V4R2, IBM next week will announce a special promotion to waive those charges for all customers who had V4R1 installed on or before V4R2 shipped February 27. Users who've already paid the additional V4R1-to-V4R2 charges will get a refund. The widespread user complaints on this issue are the latest development in IBM's continued difficulties transitioning OS/400 pricing from periodic user-based version upgrade fees to a software subscription model that essentially requires users to pay a monthly fee in exchange for free future releases. (Previous stories covering this issue can be accessed at http://www.news400.com/redir/redirDB.cfm?ID=86 and http://www.news400.com/redir/redir.cfm?story=/features/ nwn/archives/sep0397/sep0397.htm .) The unexpected V4R1-to-V4R2 charges, which ran into tens of thousands of dollars per machine in many cases, arose from licensed program products that IBM didn't upgrade to Version 4 at the same time it upgraded the operating system. The list of program products that didn't get upgraded with V4R1 includes compilers, Application Development ToolSet (ADTS), and utilities. Those products all got reversioned with V4R2, so the move from 4.1 to 4.2 meant paying transition charges for those products that had "skip-shipped," and for which customers had not actually paid transition charges when they moved to V4R1. (For a complete list of program products affected, see IBM announcement letters 298-035 and 298-031.) The release of Version 4 marks the first time that IBM didn't upgrade all licensed programs along with the operating system. According to Dave Chorba, AS/400 brand program manager, that only caused a problem because the AS/400 Software Maintenance and Support Offering (SMSO) IBM previewed with V4R1 last August wasn't activated with V4R2 as originally planned. V4R1 users who signed up for the intended SMSO would have gotten V4R2 automatically. When SMSO floundered in internal logistical problems, IBM decided to charge transition fees for the products that weren't upgraded with V4R1 but were with V4R2. "These skip-ship charges became part of Release 2, which was a surprise to a lot of people," says Chorba. "The V4R1 people were expecting some dollar prices when they went Release 2 if they were planning on taking the Software Maintenance and Support Offering we previewed in August, but it was unfair to hit them with these charges and not have something like SMSO available." The promotion to waive V4R1-to-V4R2 transition charges is welcome news to many customers who tried to order V4R2 under the old "new releases are free" concept only to discover they had to pay significantly more, depending on their processor group and the number of skip-shipped licensed programs installed. "We were shocked to hear there was an upgrade charge," says Bob Romanko, lead computer center engineer at the University of Virginia's Department of Human Resources, which had just completed an upgrade in December 1997 from a V3R1 CISC box to a model 620 RISC machine on V4R1. "To move to V4R2 would have cost more than we paid for the software in our RISC upgrade, and the additional money wasn't in our budget. We're relieved that IBM is making V4R1 to V4R2 a no-charge upgrade. I'm doing a lot with Java on the 400, and I'm pushing Net.Data to the max. To take all this to the next level, we really were counting on V4R2." "We want to reward customers who aggressively got to V4R1 because they wanted the features they knew were coming in V4R2, like Java, Domino, e-business and NT on the IPCS," says Chorba. "We're taking corrective action to make sure those people can get where they wanted to get as soon as they wanted to get there." V4R1 customers may be relieved to learn they're off the hook, but some V3R7 customers still face a higher price to get to Version 4 than they expected because they didn't count on the additional fees for skip-shipped products. "Wow, what a shocker," says John Borgne, senior AS/400 development analyst with Chrysler Insurance Company, who recently learned it will cost him $47,000 more than he expected to upgrade from V3R7 to Version 4. Chrysler Insurance spent $180,000 in September 1997 to upgrade from a model 310 at V3R2 to a model 510 at V3R7. Borgne says he considered waiting for V4R1, but his IBM marketing rep urged him to go ahead with V3R7. The rep gave Borgne a price of $33,000 to upgrade to V4R1, for which he budgeted this year. "Now, to go to V4R2, it's almost $80,000," Borgne says. "To go back and ask management for $47,000 more is impossible. We want the new functionality of V4R2 and were planning to upgrade by the end of the second quarter. Now it looks like we'll have to wait until next year to see if this amount will be approved by upper management. I'm very disappointed at the pricing structure to get to V4R2. There are some really nice enhancements, but IBM has made them unaffordable." Budgetary confusion and uncertainty is exactly what IBM was trying to avoid by moving to a new mandatory software upgrade protection plan with Version 4. However, the Software Maintenance and Support Offering previewed with V4R1 last August wouldn't fly either internally or among Business Partners, and IBM was forced to revamp its strategy. The company now plans to announce just the update protection portion of the plan in mid- or late April and has recently changed the planned name from AS/400 Software Maintenance to AS/400 Software Subscription. Another offering combining subscription update protection and support, which is expected to be called Software Upgrade and Remote Support (SURS), will be offered late this year. -- Pam Jones, NEWS/400 Industry Editor Al Barsa, Jr. Barsa Consulting, LLC 400 > 390 Phone: 914-251-9400 Fax: 914-251-9406 +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +--- +--- | This is the Midrange System Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to MIDRANGE-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner/operator: david@midrange.com +---
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