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Scott: Thanks for your very lengthy review. I appreciate the detail. Would you mind if my client contacted you if they have any questions?? I usually don't like calling a vendor supplied reference list... you know they are usually going to give a good review, otherwise they would not be on the reference list. I thought this would be a better way to get some unbias info. Thanks & regards, Carl At 10:47 AM 7/24/97 -0400, Scott Cornell wrote: >We have just recently completed installing Aldon CMS >product at our site. The following is a (admittedly long) >synopsis of our experiences. DISCLAIMER: I have no >connection/financial interest/relationship with Aldon >Computer Group beyond being a customer. > >For some background, our shop runs vendor purchased >software with extensive MIS modifications at 12 remote >sites. We also have a number of smaller in-house >developed apps. Each remote site, to varying degrees, >also has site specific changes to the vendor code as well >as in house stuff. > ><Begin CMS review> >- CMS is a good product: relatively easy to install & >pretty flexible in terms of what you can do, supporting >multiple releases of an app, achieving, object level >auditing, object distribution, etc. Aldon tech support has >also been very responsive when we've had a problem. The >hard part during initial install was getting all our apps >cleaned up so's Aldon would work with 'em - primarily >finding the correct source for every pgm (a real treat >when the vendor doesn't even have the right source >anymore!). > >- Aldon "gotchas" are relatively few, but they do exist > - Job logs tend to be cryptic when a compile or promote >fails - all you see is a message about "Call to Aldon pgm >XXXX failed" but the WHY it failed isn't there. > - Aldon's not really good w/PF-LF relationships. If you >check out an LF without checking out the associated PF, an >EMPTY copy of the PF goes into your development library. > This leads to head scratching when a developer attempts >to test a new pgm using an LF pointing to an empty file. > - Aldon's kind of picky about AS/400 authorities. We >have a number of sites where a senior developer also >wears the SECOFR hat. Aldon doesn't like people >w/SECOFR authority doing remote promotions. One also >has to be careful about matching authorities during >remote development - if the actual coding occurs on a >remote system, the developer has a user profile on both >the local box as well as the central "Aldon" box. If the >authority on the remote object is too restrictive, Aldon >can't bring it back to promote it into it's release hierarchy. > - Aldon requires a single thread release path for any >application defined in it. Thus, we had to really juggle to >get our support environment set up, mostly the site >specific changes. A plain vanilla Aldon set up would have >us create a base library, a vendor change library, a >corporate change library, and 12 separate site change >libraries for each of the 20 odd vendor applications we >support. When you realize that (in most cases) 5 or 6 >vendor apps work in concert, each needing AT LEAST 4 or >5 Aldon libraries to be in the LIBL, you can see that we >filled up the 25 available slots pretty quickly, especially >during QA testing. What Aldon needs is the ability to >specify a given "release" or "application" as a child to many >other releases - sadly, you can't really do that. > >- The REALLY hard part (not related specifically to Aldon, >but a general "start from scratch" CMS project comment) >was getting buy in from all our developers (both in our >corporate offices as well as remotely.) Our new setup is >that all source code is centrally located and any >changes at any given site(s) must but checked out and >promoted through Aldon. No restrictions on what >changes can be made - just log 'em into Aldon. Despite >this, for some reason, people feel "naked" when they can't >just bop in, change a pgm, and bop out without telling >anyone about it. The objections were voiced (of course) >as "What if it's 2:00 AM and the corporate 400 is down?", >but since we bent over backwards to provide source >access backups (via an RS/600, E-MAIL, AND/OR on site >tape achieves), I suspect the real objection was simply "I >don't have a copy of the source immediately at hand >anymore!" Upshot: I don't know how "locked down" your >client's looking to make their shop, but people will fight >any perceived "restriction" tooth and nail, saying "Aldon >hampers my job performance" when it's really "Policies >enforced via Aldon hamper my ability to anything I #%@$ >well please any time I want" - which, of course, is the >whole point of change management to begin with. Be >prepared to be kind of unpopular! > >>>> Carl Galgano <cgalgano@ediconsulting.com> >07/23/97 03:40pm >>> >One of my clients called me today looking for a >recomendation on Aldon's CMS >software. I only have experience with SoftLandings's >Turnover so I can not >give them any hands on eval. > >Can anyone out there give me the goods and bads (if any) >on this software. > >TIA >Carl >Carl J. Galgano >cgalgano@ediconsulting.com >EDI Consulting Services, Inc. >540 Powder Springs Street >Suite C19 >Marietta, GA 30064 >770-422-2995 > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >* * * * * >* This is the Midrange System Mailing List! To submit a new >message, * >* send your mail to "MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com". 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