Final Comments on Visas and the Economy

From: Shadrach Scott

Joe I hope you are enjoying the debate ..... I am enjoying it, and I
have read and looked at every fact sent. I especially enjoy when people
like Karl are willing to share real life. You are correct numbers are
cold and there is a human aspect to this debate and there are real
people being affected by it. Obviously there is a segment out there that
is feeling real pain or at least minor discomfort.

I always find it interesting to listen to people who happily listen to what
they are told despite the reality of the world around them. You never
addressed my earlier point that no family can live in the OC for $60,000 a
year. That's par for the course: ignore those ugly facts.

Joe rather than the protectionist society you keep advocating for we
need the competitive society Wadha talks about.

I'm all for a competitive society, just one with a fair playing ground. I
can't compete with someone whose cost of living is a third (or a fifth or a
tenth) of mine. That's just common sense.

As those economies grow so will
ours and instead of the collapse your predict the world will see
prosperity like it never has before.

The correct way for economies to grow is for them to become self-sustaining
through export of products and services, not by taking jobs from other
markets. There's a subtle distinction there, but one you need to
understand. Because when you take other jobs, you depress the wages of the
people buying your services, and thus reduce your own market.

Instead, the emerging economies need to do the basics: build their
infrastructures, reduce their populations to a supportable level, provide
the appropriate basic services, that sort of thing.

My final point is the technology field is very competitive, you can
never assume anything about your job or the product you sell. If you
employer is not providing ongoing training then you need to provide it
for yourself. The numbers tell us that real wages are growing so if your
wage is shrinking someone else's is growing and by your own admission
the h-1b wages are not the ones causing real wage growth.

The numbers say no such thing. The numbers say real wages are stagnant,
benefits are dropping and bonuses are dwindling.

I'm done, not because it has not been fun but I don't think Joe's blood
pressure can take much more.

My blood pressure is fine. I always like to see the type of person who
listens to the big business mantra.

Joe