Well, I guess we just don't get it. How we're SUPPOSED to make money at a company isn't to WORK for them, we supposed to invest in their stock! That way we get the return on dividends that outsourcing the jobs to cheap labor brings.
What? You don't have money to INVEST????? You must not be a real American. We're ALL rich, right?
Get a job and EARN some money.....Oh, that's right, we outsourced them. Sorry.
Find something else to do:
(Do you want fries with that?)
(sarcasm fully intended)
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I agree to a point. when Lou Dobbs first started talking about it he was
un-jaded and forthright he has since been riding the issues as a bit of an
ongoing skit but it doesn't make the senario any less true.
Alex Montalvo
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>Who is running the Asylum ?
>It scares me to think that people listen to a commentator's views who
is more
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>I agree that corporate greed is the real problem. I worked my way up
from an
>operator trainee on 3 system/38's to be a project leader in the
programmer
>department of my old company I worked at. This after 3 years in fast
food trying
>to do my AA degree at night. I planned to work and retire there, and a
few
>LBO's later, me and 8 others are booted and the headquarters moved.
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>The programming was outsourced too. So I am with Alex. I got lucky, I
work now
>in the insurance industry and this small company is strong. On year 9
now. I
>hope it will last as long as possible.
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>As a father of two sons, I am discouraging them from the computer
field, why
>waste their time in a market constantly shipping jobs overseas? People
who keep
>saying it is a "world economy" and everyone should get with the
program. I say
>they are have lost sight of what it means to be American in
America. Screw
>NAFTA and the United North America crap. That is exactly what it is,
crap.
>When you put another country or $$$ before the patriotism, you have
lost your
>way.
>
>Americans come first, why, because we are in America. Care for your
brothers
>and sisters in this country should come first: "We the People of the
United
>States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice,
insure
>domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the
general
>Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our
Posterity, do
>ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of
America."
>
>Nowhere does it say we have to take jobs from our people [Americans]to
give to
>everyone else and be caretaker for every other backwater country on
this planet.
>Listen to Lou Dobbs on CNN. At least someone represents the middle
class. No
>one else does.
>
>God Bless America....
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> I am not prejudiced, I am objective! Should I have substituted
Jewish by
> Williamsburg based? and Eastern Indian by American headdress
challenged? I
> have friends of all nationalities I an American Citizen with
Caribbean
> Spanish descendants. It's the brazenness of the way companies
pursue cheap
> foreign labor that I find insulting.
>
> Headhunters have pulled this time and time again " We have a long
term 1+
> year contract all our consultants stay there longer" then two
months or so
> later you get " due to budget cutbacks were ending your contract in
two
> weeks" that's happened to me at least 4 times while doing
everything they
> asked of me above and beyond most times. But the H1B's stay!
>
> One question is there a way to negotiate a contract without being
fooled
> as to length of the project?
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