I'm reaaly amazed that people would blame the hardware folks because they did not see far enough out in the future to realize that they were running software that was not compliant. I don't think that IBM or any other hardware company was to blame. I wrote RPG code on an IBM 360 back in the 60's and designed files that had a 4-digit year, just in case my code was still alive at 2000. It is the resposibility of the manager in the shop to make sure his shop is ready. Put the responsibility in the right place and shed the "blame game". -----Original Message----- From: cunninjoe@xxxxxxxxx To: sadowskimark@xxxxxxxxx; rcweide@xxxxxxx; michael_lloyd_thornton@xxxxxxxxxxx; midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: unsubscribe with regret. (1980 SYS/38.........) An overseas perspective. I agree that Y2K was a problem that should have been better addressed by IBM. If everyone was doing it wrong, and I mean almost every shop that I was in, then IBM should have come up with better solutions. Although it was overblown, a ton of money was spent on it which put a bad taste in many mouths, not in mine because those were by far my best earning years. Mark Sadowski <sadowskimark@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: *** Please pay close attention when replying to a message on this list! *** If you want the reply to go to the list, use REPLY-TO-ALL *** Recruiters may advertise only permanent employment positions in this list. I agree 100 % ! The Date issue wasn't IBM's problem. We (developers) sucked it up and made the changes. Went fine. The statement "Every CFO has still has nightmares about it" is also inaccurate (in my opinion).... rcweide@xxxxxxx wrote: *** Please pay close attention when replying to a message on this list! *** If you want the reply to go to the list, use REPLY-TO-ALL *** Recruiters may advertise only permanent employment positions in this list. I am really confused my the comments you are making. It wasn't IBM that didn't handle the Y2K problem. It was the software developers and software giants that didn't plan properly. The databases and programs didn't allow for the fact that their programs would be in process when the century turned over. IBM systems would have handled it without a hitch. The blame game in action. Such a pity the issue was misaligned. R C Weide -----Original Message----- From: michael_lloyd_thornton@xxxxxxxxxxx To: midrange-jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 9:30 PM Subject: unsubscribe with regret. (1980 SYS/38.........) An overseas perspective. *** Please pay close attention when replying to a message on this list! *** If you want the reply to go to the list, use REPLY-TO-ALL *** Recruiters may advertise only permanent employment positions in this list. Hi Unfortunately iSeries is fast disappearing in South Africa, especially after 2k. If IBM had addressed the date issue so it wasn't a problem, they would have gained customers, not lost them. 2k probably did more hurt to iSeries than anything else. Every CFO has still has nightmares about it, and people don't forget getting stung. Even if you have a job, the future is uncertain. Pity they didn't license VB 10 years ago and provide development tools for free. At least iSeries would be a major force in the industry in cheap solutions and skills. IBM should have followed the market instead of trying to steer it. If PHP had been supported from the beginning, it could well be a popular web platform. They don't understand, some people don't want to keep bending RPG to try and do everything, especially when that skill-set is fast disappearing. I am a died in the wool RPG programmer from SYS34 days, and it does some things extremely well, but mention it to a company looking for a platform, and you get a blank stare. Even for customers wanting iSeries, they are put off because they are few skills available, and none coming in to the market. For years companies relied on poaching skills, never thinking to put something back in to the industry by paying for formal training. IBM of course still try to squeeze every last dollar they can, just like they did in the the SYS3-38 days. Like microsoft, they are learning that that attitude pisses people off and they will look elsewhere. I wish everyone well with their careers. MichaelSouth Africa michael.lloyd.thornton@xxxxxxxxx _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701
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