Please....Please...Please--end this discussion track on this site. It belongs elsewhere. It is just clutteing up everybody's mailboxes. No offense meant, I am just tired of all the emails beating a dead horse. RPGMAN -------------- Original message from "Mark Villa" <iseries.4.me@xxxxxxxxx>: --------------
*** Please pay close attention when replying to a message on this list! *** If you want the reply to go to the list, use REPLY-TO-ALL *** Recruiters may advertise only permanent employment positions in this list.My experience with H1B's are basically the same as far as talent goesRe: I agree with you - except for one key issue - the American cost of living. How many monthly bills are going down? ! Raise your hand if you want to share an apartment with 3 other code jocks. Have you noticed, those in favor of off shoring (which is about dumb in a strategic sense) have avoided the ISSUE of compensation? I maintain that 100% - and I DO mean 100% - of the folks who can not find good employees have something wrong with their current offer, starting with compensation. Yes, it is a two way street. I live in a beautiful part of the country, that I call home. For many of us, home - is home. Just because 10% of you are mobile, does not mean "America is mobile". Unless there is an epidemic or an earthquake, I will work at Target before I move to NY, at any wage. Well, almost any (everyone has a price). re: >Sounds to me that some people are still very bitter For those of us that can not read between the lines, what does your statement above mean? To me, there is a difference between global workshops, global resourcing, teamwork, etc. AND the wholesale replacement of labor using most effective offshore resources available, for the sole purpose of cost reduction. There are many facets to the issue, and I am NOT saying which ones I agree with, simply I believe that all parties should include what is moral in their daily business. If *some* party seeks the desperate and deprived (which equates to the lowest cost), that is what he shall find. We all know the difference between off-shoring and outsourcing. I/T talent is more concerned about the business and tasks than who might be trying to replace them, that is why it is generally so distasteful. The 2-way steet rule is broken and is unforgivable. Outsourcing has been with I/T since DAY 1. Day 1, think about it? Did you fix your own printers? Just because some magazine says something negative about American I/T - don't spout it as fact here. What has transpired in recent years disgusts me. To think that corporate I/T leadership pretend to have the heartless view that only an entity is capable of (the mission of .Inc), yet sleep well at night in the safety and comfort that the American workforce and spirit provided. All of this disguised and cloaked under the blanket of "survival". In reality it is more like: Well, our #1 competitor is doing it-- and if we don't offshore, we will go bankrupt. And the domino's fall. Truth? -- This is the Midrange Jobs: Postings & Discussion (MIDRANGE-JOBS) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-JOBS@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/midrange-jobs or email: MIDRANGE-JOBS-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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