RE: To Mapics backup or not to Mapics backup? -- MAPICS-L

Philip,
We do the same thing, a MAPICS backup to disk and a full save of all
non-system libraries.  We save the disk backup to tape the next morning.
Our operator schedules the disk backup each day and we have the full save in
a job schedule entry procedure.  We too, have the luxury of not running 24/7
operations.
Ed Chabot
Marlin Firearms Co.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-mapics-l@midrange.com [mailto:owner-mapics-l@midrange.com]On
Behalf Of Philip R. Freimann
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 4:53 PM
To: MAPICS-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: To Mapics backup or not to Mapics backup?


Are we the only company that makes TWO backups a night?  We do both the
standard MAPICS backup to reset the batches and provide an orderly MAPICS
restore if necessary - then also do a normal system save.

It's sort of like safety belts in the car - you have to decide what kind of
accident you're going to have.  Better safe than sorry.

We do have the luxury of being able to squeeze some time out of every 24
hour period.

At 03:51 PM 6/21/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Patrick/Rebecca,
>
>If you have the source for Cross Apps, look at the source for AXZPZD and
>AXZPZY, which are the backup procs for disk and tape, respectively (the
>names are from memory - I don't have it here).  It is possible to omit the
>actual SAV commands from the CL's, thereby executing only the MAPICS
>cleanup, which actually runs pretty quickly.  Then you can separately run a
>save-while-active of the MAPICS libraries for backup purposes.
>
>WARNING - If you do this, you won't be able to use the MAPICS "recovery
>procedures" if you manage to corrupt MAPICS and have to fix it.
Personally,
>I never considered that a problem, since I consider the "recovery
>procedures" to be little more than a historical curiosity that I've never
>used, but your cases may be different.  The "recovery procedures" are what
a
>normal SAVLIB is "useless" for, since a non-MAPICS backup can only take a
>picture of the database, not guarantee that it's in a certain condition.
>Rebecca, I'd say your affiliate agrees with me, whereas your course
>instructor was adhering to the conservative MAPICS company line.  You
should
>make your own choice based on what you feel confident about supporting.
>
>Dave Shaw
>MAPICS-L Moderator
>Spartan International, Inc.
>Spartanburg, SC
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shrader, Patrick [mailto:pshrader@wkep.com]
> >
> > I, too, like the idea of a scheduled system backup for my
> > data. However, the
> > MAPICS backup does more than simply back up the information
> > to tape. There
> > are some cleanup jobs that is included in the MAPICS backup.
> > If I could
> > determine all of these jobs and run them from my own
> > routines, I would have
> > the backup scheduled automatically, greatly reducing the
> > daily operational
> > headaches of setting up the backup.
> >
> > If anyone knows of a resource to show the API calls that
> > MAPICS handles, I'd
> > greatly appreciate the information.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:       Rebecca Snyder [SMTP:rsnyder@atlasdie.com]
> > > Sent:       Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:04 AM
> > > To: MAPICS-L@midrange.com
> > > Subject:    To Mapics backup or not to Mapics backup?
> > >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > We're realitvely new to Mapics, and have had heard conflicting
> > > information on whether or not to use the Mapics backup...
> > >
> > > The affliate that was doing the implementaion for one of our
> > > companies told us not to use the Mapics backup and even
> > > went so far as to set up a SAVLIB scheduled job to save the Mapics
> > > libraries. Previous to that we were just using the AS/400 Backup
> > > which they told us wouldn't work for Mapics.
> > >
> > > After attending a Mapics class. last week I found out that
> > > we should be doing a Mapics backup, because the stuff
> > > from doing a SAVLIB was useless.
> > >
> > > So how are people doing a nightly backup of the Mapics data?
> > >
> > > And how can you run a 24x7 shop (which will have to do when we
> > > get the other company running on Mapics) when you need to end
> > > QINTER to do a Mapics Backup (or the SAVLIB that we're
> > > currently doing for that matter?)
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Philip R. Freimann
Montgomery, Alabama
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