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Re: WAS non-responsive

Frances,

I'm not much of a System i admin, so please forgive my ignorance, but
is it possible to run multiple WAS profiles on a single system and
have each of them running in their own memory pool?  We run multiple
WAS profiles on the same system, and at times they fight with each
other.  Right now, all of them run in the QWAS6 subsystem.  We'd like
to continue to run multiple profiles on the same machine, but we'd
like to run each one in it's own memory pool.  The link you gave seems
to show you how to put the subsystem in its own memory pool, and I
don't think this will help us.

Thanks!

Mike E.



On 12/5/06, Frances Stewart <francess@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Might help if I put in the link to the FAQ on running WAS in its own pool:
http://www-912.ibm.com/s_dir/slkbase.NSF/c1309d212e616c9f862569ec0070adc1/feb1937b452aac3586256f8100518118?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,subsystem


Frances Stewart
WebSphere Application Server for iSeries, Technical Team Lead/Architect
    External web site: http://www.iseries.ibm.com/websphere
    Team web site: http://w3.rchland.ibm.com/~was
E-mail: francess@xxxxxxxxxx
IBM Rochester




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The problem description sounds as if you are exceeding the amount of memory
allocated to the storage pool WAS is running in. At that point, paging
becomes excessive and garbage collection can fall behind and then just when
you want DMPJVM to work, it doesn't.

This:
[12/4/06 23:47:43:931 CST] 00000011 SystemOut     O C400WARNI:
485997/QEJBSVR/SERVER1 GC heap uses 107% of the non-reserved pool.

 JVM GC Heap Size(kB)  Effective PoolSize(kB):408273 381196
is indicating that heap is becoming too large for the pool. And it is
indicating that the effective pool size (amount of memory in pool
currently) is approx 375M (my math is non existent in this case - it is
381196/1024 M). That is pretty small in general for WAS and the GC heap
(4082873K) is not particularly large for WAS - is it possible other
workloads are taking a lot of memory?
Note: The same support (heap monitor) that sends the message above to
SystemOut.log also sends messages to QSYSOPR message queue.

These messages are a side effect of what is happening with memory usage:
[11/17/06 8:58:11:480 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 8" (00000186) has been active for 730294 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 9 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.
and should not be taken to be a thread issue. If the GC recovered (say you
were able to push a bunch of memory into the base pool), you would most
likely see corresponding messages saying the threads had "come back" and
were no longer possibly hung.

One recommendation is to run WAS in its on pool with dedicated memory - how
much memory would depend on what your server utilizes at peak times. DMPJVM
is a good way to check that (when it can complete).
This FAQ is for V5.1 and earlier but tells how to associate the WAS
subsystem with a different share pool in order to isolate it.  For V6,
subsystem is QWAS6 and the *SBSD is QWAS6/.QWAS6

If problem continues, you may want to contact IBM support so that they can
do some analysis of the problem.

Frances Stewart
WebSphere Application Server for iSeries, Technical Team Lead/Architect
    External web site: http://www.iseries.ibm.com/websphere
    Team web site: http://w3.rchland.ibm.com/~was
E-mail: francess@xxxxxxxxxx
IBM Rochester




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We are having a problem since we have upgraded to WAS 6.0.2.15 on the
iSeries. Unfortunately, we have little information at this time, but I
thought I would throw out what is happening and see if anyone has any
input.



On three separate occasions WAS has ground to a halt and stopped
responding to page requests. It is not really hung, per se. It is more
like it is stuck in a loop or paging out memory or something. When it
happens, CPU usage, when viewed using WRKACTJOB, shows minimal usage,
not only for WAS but also for the whole system. Other jobs seem to be
running fine e.g, interactive and batch jobs.



We had one instance where there were two remote data connections that
someone had that were using only a little cpu, but we thought those jobs
may be doing intensive I/O, so we killed those jobs and WAS became
responsive immediately. However, in the other cases another job causing
the problem could not be identified absolutely.



The last time this happened I tried running the DMPJVM command, but it
simply hung and never finished. I have also tried to get into the admin
to check the Tivoli Performance Viewer to look at heap size, but the
admin app would not come up.



WAS is currently set up to use the BASE memory pool. We have 5 or 6 gig
of ram in the machine and BASE normally has 2.5 to 3.5 gig allocated to
it, depending on interactive. Using the Tivoli Performance Viewer in the
WAS admin, WAS usually has a memory allocation of 500-700 meg, and the
used memory is 250-300meg.



We have gotten some error messages in the logs occasionally that make me
think that this may be a memory issue:

[12/4/06 23:47:43:931 CST] 00000011 SystemOut     O C400WARNI:
485997/QEJBSVR/SERVER1 GC heap uses 107% of the non-reserved pool.

 JVM GC Heap Size(kB)  Effective PoolSize(kB):408273 381196





I am not sure how to read this. It appears it may be saying that the
pool size has shrunk to 381meg and it is using 408meg. One hypothesis I
have at this point is that other jobs in the BASE memory pool are using
a large amount of ram and that ram available to WAS is being cut back
because of it and WAS is either running the GC constantly, or worse, it
is paging out to disk.



One time when we tried to shut down the server when it became
non-responsive we had this in the logs:

[11/17/06 8:58:01:651 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 32" (00000fcd) has been active for 736230 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 2 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:07:848 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 34" (00000fcf) has been active for 735964 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 3 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:08:712 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 17" (00000fbe) has been active for 737383 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 4 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:09:596 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 20" (00000fc1) has been active for 736983 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 5 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:10:161 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 33" (00000fce) has been active for 736005 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 6 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:10:809 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 31" (00000fcc) has been active for 736379 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 7 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:11:222 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 4" (00000182) has been active for 739389 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 8 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:11:480 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 8" (00000186) has been active for 730294 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 9 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:11:837 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 19" (00000fc0) has been active for 730323 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 10 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:12:131 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 44" (00000fda) has been active for 701857 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 11 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:13:075 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 18" (00000fbf) has been active for 737204 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 12 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:13:326 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 43" (00000fd9) has been active for 704627 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 13 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:13:548 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 13" (00000fba) has been active for 738022 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 14 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:13:886 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 30" (00000fcb) has been active for 736480 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 15 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:14:119 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 29" (00000fca) has been active for 736551 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 16 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:14:338 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 24" (00000fc5) has been active for 736812 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 17 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:14:548 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 28" (00000fc9) has been active for 736611 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 18 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:14:821 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 12" (00000fb9) has been active for 738008 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 19 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:15:009 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 23" (00000fc4) has been active for 730255 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 20 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:15:340 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 42" (00000fd8) has been active for 713749 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 21 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:15:515 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 14" (00000fbb) has been active for 737527 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 22 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:15:705 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 35" (00000fd0) has been active for 735872 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 23 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:15:986 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 26" (00000fc7) has been active for 736671 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 24 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:16:150 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 47" (00000fdd) has been active for 687165 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 25 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:16:310 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 37" (00000fd2) has been active for 735783 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 26 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:16:497 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 10" (00000fb7) has been active for 738634 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 27 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:16:765 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 25" (00000fc6) has been active for 736671 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 28 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:16:969 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 36" (00000fd1) has been active for 735868 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 29 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:17:138 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 39" (00000fd4) has been active for 735728 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 30 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:17:309 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 27" (00000fc8) has been active for 736611 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 31 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:17:506 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 16" (00000fbd) has been active for 737454 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 32 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:17:720 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 46" (00000fdc) has been active for 689796 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 33 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:18:110 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 11" (00000fb8) has been active for 738302 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 34 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:18:294 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 22" (00000fc3) has been active for 736911 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 35 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:18:604 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 6" (00000184) has been active for 730294 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 36 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:18:830 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 21" (00000fc2) has been active for 736890 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 37 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:19:136 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 41" (00000fd6) has been active for 730189 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 38 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:19:326 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 48" (00000fde) has been active for 675698 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 39 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.

[11/17/06 8:58:19:597 CST] 000001a8 ThreadMonitor W   WSVR0605W: Thread
"WebContainer : 40" (00000fd5) has been active for 735688 milliseconds
and may be hung.  There is/are 40 thread(s) in total in the server that
may be hung.





Which made me wonder if it was a thread issue, but I could also see this
happening if the GC was dominating or the jvm was paging to disk.



What I am wondering is if anyone else has had problems like this or if
anyone can give me any ideas on what to check or change. Thanks for any
help you can give us.





Todd Bryant

Programmer/Analyst

University of Nebraska Foundation

phone#: 402.458.1131






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