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Nathan/All Thanks for the clarification of your points. The point I was trying to make is that Java and its OO capability can lead to much much higher levels of productivity than procedural and RPG languages in both utilities and application development projects. I am not an RPG expert so I might be missing something(s), please excuse/correct me if I'm off. The flexibility and productivity possible via inheritance, polymorphism, frameworks, and interfaces would be very difficult or impossible to match with procedural languages. I agree that performance can be an issue with complex objects but that all depends on the object/framework design in my experience. Frameworks and components; that's where I enjoy spending most of my time, especially since I can't afford to golf daily which is my other passion</sigh>. Inquiry objects with inherited "maintenance" method for insert, update, delete, copy can carry minimal overhead and the payback is huge in terms of programmer productivity. For example, I built and deployed, an additional inquiry operation which returns a completely generic Java component with inherited but overridable maintenance methods (insert, update, delete, copy) and it performs very well. This "department" inquiry was developed and deployed in 45 seconds using a set of Java components. That's where I think AS400 shops and others can benefit from OO and Java technology. http://www.planetjavainc.com/wow60/runApp?id=298 Java methods are attached to the class so even multiple instances of the components have much less overhead than people suspect. For example, in addition to the inherited maintenance methods, the framework/component also inherits: MS EXCEL, XML, web services, dynamic field level security and validation, dynamic associations for linking files to other files, column level sorting (black triangles), dynamic column headers, and several other features. All features inherited, customizable, to any database, on any platform with zero programming effort needed; all in 45 seconds. That's what Java and OO/frameworks can provide. As far as the XML to HTML performance, I haven't worked with it too much but I imagine having to parse and regenerate the UI on the fly could be expensive; I don't know enough about that to comment. Have a good ne. -Paul Holm Paul, I agree there's a place for utilities. BTW, the HTML interface you referenced in your 1st post was quite appealing. Some people may not realize that procedural languages work well for writing utilities. Without over-extending, a tool like WRKDBF might even be modified to deploy an HTML interface. My concern about performance was relative to writing extensions or wrappers around generic utilities. If an application requirement is for inquiry, but the application extends a component that supports maintenance as well as inquiry, it could lead to running a lot of oversized components. For example, say a Servlet instantiates an object that's capable of transforming XML into HTML using XSL. XML Style Sheets (XSL) are essentially programs, and running them requires a fairly complex, interpretive runtime environment. Instantiating a robust, interpretive, runtime environment from within every Servlet could lead to performance problems. We sometimes dwell on the power of complex objects without considering that they're eventually transformed into a boatload of machine instructions, and allocate large blocks of memory, that must be piped through a CPU. One key to performance may be implementing interfaces and instructions that do no more and no less than what's required. Nathan.
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