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On 03/08/2001 at 08:14:23 AM, owner-java400-l@midrange.com wrote: Fred, I heard somewhere that IBM rely heavily on CRC cards during their OOD. As someone who is fairly new to OOD and UML, can you give me a "real" world feel of the relevance of use cases and the like. --- end of excerpt --- Oh-ho! Time to offend some OO purists.... First some caveats about this post: IBM is a big place, there's lots of diversity. AND as I said before. I'm NOT a purist AND I get touchy about this, because sometimes around here, people want to do every aspect of design up front and end up taking years to get something out the door.... 8-) So... I don't buy into that level of development at all. I consider this the typical example of Brad's original "work units" post (far too expensive for the payback). Also, EVERY tool I've ever seen to do this is really bad-awful-nasty in its usability. I've not gone through formal OO development education or classes (well 2 or 3, but nothing I consider the kind of serious class that makes your head hurt). I do all my OO modeling on text editor, paper, in my head and directly in code. I immediately build simple frameworks that actually run and represent a skeleton of the final product. I slice/dice/throwaway/recreate those object infrastructures repeatedly as required. I typically develop testcases in conjunction with each iteration. The testcases stick around for each iteration, and more complex ones get added. Why? I do this because the biggest payback for success is to actually have something running and I get paid for solutions, not design. ;-) Developers dependant on my stuff can IMMEDIATELY start using some low function services (I DO spend a bit more time on interfaces so those remain relatively stable). The product reaches full function gradually as it is tweaked or shredded repeatedly at each iteration. Often, you realize that when you think you're 2/3 of the way through the product, your dependancies are all met and you can just spit-shine the rest and stop. I've done this from the beginning of my career, and I've always found that it works better than what I've seen being used around me. As Dennis Miller says: "That's just my opinion... I could be wrong" "The stuff we call "software" is not like anything that human society is used to thinking about. Software is something like a machine, and something like mathematics, and something like language, and something like thought, and art, and information... but software is not in fact any of those other things." Bruce Sterling - The Hacker Crackdown Fred A. Kulack - AS/400e Java and Java DB2 access, Jdbc, JTA, etc... IBM in Rochester, MN (Phone: 507.253.5982 T/L 553-5982) mailto:kulack@us.ibm.com Personal: mailto:kulack@bresnanlink.net AOL Instant Messenger: Home:FKulack Work:FKulackWrk +--- | This is the JAVA/400 Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to JAVA400-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to JAVA400-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to JAVA400-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner: joe@zappie.net +---
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