Re: EGL: Integration or Migration? -- EGL-I

Joe wrote:

Honestly, I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you saying we
should NOT use EGL and RPG and should instead code everything in Java?

No i only meant this discussion has no use, because there are so many
of these on internet. And i know both of us will not alter our opinion. So
just leave it. We had this discussion before. Time will tell... eventually.

It's just that I believe OO is better suited for the UI layer than for the
business logic layer.

True, a GUI is a natural fit for an OO approach.

But if you want to complain about my personal opinions about Java or OO,
either do it in private email (where I'll bore you to tears with my
analysis)

Let's not do that then.

Let's try to leave this particular list focused on the practical aspects
of using EGL with the i.

I try...

Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 09:19:41 -0500
From: joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: egl-i@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [EGL-i] EGL: Integration or Migration?

john e wrote:

There are some rants on the internet about this (here we go again).

And I absolutely don't want to turn this into slashdot.

Honestly, I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you saying we
should NOT use EGL and RPG and should instead code everything in Java?
Are you saying Java is better than RPG? If so, then I appreciate your
argument and point you towards the JAVA400-L list (which I happen to
moderate ).

Pete can let us know his thoughts, since he's the moderator, but as far
as I'm concerned, this list should be about how to best apply EGL in the
i environment, not a discussion of why EGL is bad for the i community
and how {Language X} is better.

That's not to say that given a specific business requirement there
shouldn't be a good discussion about whether it's best implemented in
EGL or another language! I love head-to-head PRACTICAL comparisons.

And lest you think I'm a Java basher, the reason I use EGL is because I
am a firm believer in Java EE. It's just that I believe OO is better
suited for the UI layer than for the business logic layer.

But if you want to complain about my personal opinions about Java or OO,
either do it in private email (where I'll bore you to tears with my
analysis) or on JAVA400-L where we can get other Java enthusiasts to
chime in. Or WEB400-L, which seems to have become the center of
language debates here.

Let's try to leave this particular list focused on the practical aspects
of using EGL with the i.

Joe

P.S. It's funny, but I happen to agree with you on just about everything
you say, from the foibles of web apps and bloggers, and abstraction vs.
subclassing, and so on. But rather than find that common ground and
come to a consensus, instead you label my opinion as "nonsense" just
because I disagree about where OO is best suited. That's the sort of
attitude that really adds a lot of unnecessary static to a discussions
and is something I'd like to avoid.
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