Re: Domino400 Digest, Vol 1, Issue 453 -- DOMINO400

The workspace components are nice but do not nearly have the same
functionality of the existing notes client.

IBM has been at it for about two years now (reverse engineering Domino
into Websphere) ever since they removed JSPs from RNEXT
and decided to focus everything on Websphere. It will be a few years
before the Notes client fully disappears.

Websphere is the way to go...........Domino will just be another portlet
for legacy support.

Until then I am continuing to educate myself on newer programming
techniques.

Sean Murphy

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date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:15:51 -0500
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subject: Re: IBM Charts it's workplace strategy by Lee Kroon

After I sent this I do realize that there is more to the nsf than the
data. Such as agents, forms, etc. I wonder how that relates?

Rob Berendt
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What do you think of this article?
http://www.mcpressonline.com/mc/.6ae8498a

Use of DB2 instead of NSF files? With the blob fields, etc it is
technically possible. And the mess that DB2 files are in are quite
appalling. For example I have an incident open in which the docsize of
all the documents is 4MB. Notespeek shows 300MB used by deletion stubs
and 400MB by Lord knows what. The incident's been open for awhile and I
haven't had any luck with the Lotus team in figuring out what the 400MB is

eaten up by. I have dozens of like databases.

I wonder if LEI supports BLOB fields yet? Last time I checked it didn't.

I wonder how Domino clustering would handle DB2 files? Instead of
deletion stubs and the like, you suppose they'll use journalling like the
High Availability vendors for DB2 use?

It sure would be nice to have that built in. For example we have a backup

iSeries for our email, Notes databases, and other Domino based
applications. However we do not have a hot backup for our DB2 data, like
payroll, ERP, etc. Why not? Because of the cost and difficulty of the HA

solutions. Domino clustering was so easy to set up. The only bugaboo in
Domino clustering is you have to copy the databases over there in the
first place. (That's why we purchased the Akornn software.)

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date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:59:45 -0500
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subject: Re: IBM Charts it's workplace strategy by Lee Kroon

You're right about NSF's being more than just data, but I personally
welcome the change. We do have HA software here, and, while Domino
clustering isn't tough, I'd still rather have everything managed in one
place.

Also, I wonder if this will give us easier access to information in Domino
databases. I'm personally not a big fan of using Domino for apps that
need
any kind of access to the data because it's so tough to get at in an NSF.

Mike E.

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What do you think of this article?
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eaten up by. I have dozens of like databases.

I wonder if LEI supports BLOB fields yet? Last time I checked it didn't.

I wonder how Domino clustering would handle DB2 files? Instead of
deletion stubs and the like, you suppose they'll use journalling like the
High Availability vendors for DB2 use?

It sure would be nice to have that built in. For example we have a backup

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date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:05:56 -0500
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I hear you. If IBM and Lotus can't figure out what 400mb of a nsf is, who

can?

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eaten up by. I have dozens of like databases.

I wonder if LEI supports BLOB fields yet? Last time I checked it didn't.

I wonder how Domino clustering would handle DB2 files? Instead of
deletion stubs and the like, you suppose they'll use journalling like the
High Availability vendors for DB2 use?

It sure would be nice to have that built in. For example we have a backup

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message: 4
date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:58:35 -0600
from: "Walter Scanlan" <wscanlan@xxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: IBM Charts it's workplace strategy by Lee Kroon

Not commenting on the workplace code but refering to the note regarding
400 MB of phantom data in a database.

Have you tried a compact -D ?

It is likely view indexes that were maintained for the 300 MB worth of
deletion stubs you had.

Walter Scanlan
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Domino For iSeries
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CLP R4, R5 and Domino 6
Phone 507-286-6088

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After I sent this I do realize that there is more to the nsf than the
data. Such as agents, forms, etc. I wonder how that relates?

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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I wonder if LEI supports BLOB fields yet? Last time I checked it didn't.

I wonder how Domino clustering would handle DB2 files? Instead of
deletion stubs and the like, you suppose they'll use journalling like the
High Availability vendors for DB2 use?

It sure would be nice to have that built in. For example we have a backup

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message: 5
date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:10:21 -0500
from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
subject: /?Open

On an R5 server, leaving /?Open in your server documents home url brought
up a list of databases.

IBM/Lotus has decided that this was too useful, and even though they gave
you the option to configure your server to not allow database browse, that

freedom of choice was an evil thing. Therefore now, you have to put in
the specific database. For example http://myserver/mail/jblow.nsf
However just putting in the above will not prompt you for the userid and
password. Thus you do not have access to most of the mail functions. So
our users will have to use something like
http://NOTES01/MAIL/JBLOW.NSF?OpenDatabase&login

IBM has had numerous complaints about this. As a resolution I was pointed

to a document on how to create an agent in a database that will mimic this

function. Now if I can get a developer allocated here to actually
implement this.
http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/today.nsf/62f62847467a8f78052568a80055b380/ca8ba86a52afb7d685256a3f004b7143?OpenDocument

Anyone else figure out a better workaround?

Rob Berendt
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