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The workspace components are nice but do not nearly have the same 
functionality of the existing notes client.

 IBM has been at it for about two years now (reverse engineering Domino 
into Websphere) ever since they removed JSPs from RNEXT
and decided to focus everything on Websphere. It will be a few years 
before the Notes client fully disappears.

Websphere is the way to go...........Domino will just be another portlet 
for legacy support. 

Until then I am continuing to educate myself on newer programming 
techniques.

Sean Murphy





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message: 1
date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:15:51 -0500
from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
subject: Re: IBM Charts it's workplace strategy by Lee Kroon

After I sent this I do realize that there is more to the nsf than the 
data.  Such as agents, forms, etc.  I wonder how that relates?

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 
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What do you think of this article?
http://www.mcpressonline.com/mc/.6ae8498a

Use of DB2 instead of NSF files?  With the blob fields, etc it is 
technically possible.  And the mess that DB2 files are in are quite 
appalling.  For example I have an incident open in which the docsize of 
all the documents is 4MB.  Notespeek shows 300MB used by deletion stubs 
and 400MB by Lord knows what.  The incident's been open for awhile and I 
haven't had any luck with the Lotus team in figuring out what the 400MB is 


eaten up by.  I have dozens of like databases.

I wonder if LEI supports BLOB fields yet?  Last time I checked it didn't.

I wonder how Domino clustering would handle DB2 files?  Instead of 
deletion stubs and the like, you suppose they'll use journalling like the 
High Availability vendors for DB2 use?

It sure would be nice to have that built in.  For example we have a backup 


iSeries for our email, Notes databases, and other Domino based 
applications.  However we do not have a hot backup for our DB2 data, like 
payroll, ERP, etc.  Why not?  Because of the cost and difficulty of the HA 


solutions.  Domino clustering was so easy to set up.  The only bugaboo in 
Domino clustering is you have to copy the databases over there in the 
first place.  (That's why we purchased the Akornn software.)

Rob Berendt
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message: 2
date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:59:45 -0500
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subject: Re: IBM Charts it's workplace strategy by Lee Kroon


You're right about NSF's being more than just data, but I personally
welcome the change.  We do have HA software here, and, while Domino
clustering isn't tough, I'd still rather have everything managed in one
place.

Also, I wonder if this will give us easier access to information in Domino
databases.  I'm personally not a big fan of using Domino for apps that 
need
any kind of access to the data because it's so tough to get at in an NSF.

Mike E.





  
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After I sent this I do realize that there is more to the nsf than the
data.  Such as agents, forms, etc.  I wonder how that relates?

Rob Berendt
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What do you think of this article?
http://www.mcpressonline.com/mc/.6ae8498a

Use of DB2 instead of NSF files?  With the blob fields, etc it is
technically possible.  And the mess that DB2 files are in are quite
appalling.  For example I have an incident open in which the docsize of
all the documents is 4MB.  Notespeek shows 300MB used by deletion stubs
and 400MB by Lord knows what.  The incident's been open for awhile and I
haven't had any luck with the Lotus team in figuring out what the 400MB is

eaten up by.  I have dozens of like databases.

I wonder if LEI supports BLOB fields yet?  Last time I checked it didn't.

I wonder how Domino clustering would handle DB2 files?  Instead of
deletion stubs and the like, you suppose they'll use journalling like the
High Availability vendors for DB2 use?

It sure would be nice to have that built in.  For example we have a backup

iSeries for our email, Notes databases, and other Domino based
applications.  However we do not have a hot backup for our DB2 data, like
payroll, ERP, etc.  Why not?  Because of the cost and difficulty of the HA

solutions.  Domino clustering was so easy to set up.  The only bugaboo in
Domino clustering is you have to copy the databases over there in the
first place.  (That's why we purchased the Akornn software.)

Rob Berendt
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date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:05:56 -0500
from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
subject: Re: IBM Charts it's workplace strategy by Lee Kroon

I hear you.  If IBM and Lotus can't figure out what 400mb of a nsf is, who 

can?

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 
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You're right about NSF's being more than just data, but I personally
welcome the change.  We do have HA software here, and, while Domino
clustering isn't tough, I'd still rather have everything managed in one
place.

Also, I wonder if this will give us easier access to information in Domino
databases.  I'm personally not a big fan of using Domino for apps that 
need
any kind of access to the data because it's so tough to get at in an NSF.

Mike E.





 
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After I sent this I do realize that there is more to the nsf than the
data.  Such as agents, forms, etc.  I wonder how that relates?

Rob Berendt
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin




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What do you think of this article?
http://www.mcpressonline.com/mc/.6ae8498a

Use of DB2 instead of NSF files?  With the blob fields, etc it is
technically possible.  And the mess that DB2 files are in are quite
appalling.  For example I have an incident open in which the docsize of
all the documents is 4MB.  Notespeek shows 300MB used by deletion stubs
and 400MB by Lord knows what.  The incident's been open for awhile and I
haven't had any luck with the Lotus team in figuring out what the 400MB is

eaten up by.  I have dozens of like databases.

I wonder if LEI supports BLOB fields yet?  Last time I checked it didn't.

I wonder how Domino clustering would handle DB2 files?  Instead of
deletion stubs and the like, you suppose they'll use journalling like the
High Availability vendors for DB2 use?

It sure would be nice to have that built in.  For example we have a backup

iSeries for our email, Notes databases, and other Domino based
applications.  However we do not have a hot backup for our DB2 data, like
payroll, ERP, etc.  Why not?  Because of the cost and difficulty of the HA

solutions.  Domino clustering was so easy to set up.  The only bugaboo in
Domino clustering is you have to copy the databases over there in the
first place.  (That's why we purchased the Akornn software.)

Rob Berendt
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Benjamin Franklin
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message: 4
date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:58:35 -0600
from: "Walter Scanlan" <wscanlan@xxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: IBM Charts it's workplace strategy by Lee Kroon

Not commenting on the workplace code but refering to the note regarding 
400 MB of phantom data in a database.

Have you tried a compact -D  ?

It is likely view indexes that were maintained for the 300 MB worth of 
deletion stubs you had. 

Walter Scanlan 
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After I sent this I do realize that there is more to the nsf than the 
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Rob Berendt
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Use of DB2 instead of NSF files?  With the blob fields, etc it is 
technically possible.  And the mess that DB2 files are in are quite 
appalling.  For example I have an incident open in which the docsize of 
all the documents is 4MB.  Notespeek shows 300MB used by deletion stubs 
and 400MB by Lord knows what.  The incident's been open for awhile and I 
haven't had any luck with the Lotus team in figuring out what the 400MB is 



eaten up by.  I have dozens of like databases.

I wonder if LEI supports BLOB fields yet?  Last time I checked it didn't.

I wonder how Domino clustering would handle DB2 files?  Instead of 
deletion stubs and the like, you suppose they'll use journalling like the 
High Availability vendors for DB2 use?

It sure would be nice to have that built in.  For example we have a backup 



iSeries for our email, Notes databases, and other Domino based 
applications.  However we do not have a hot backup for our DB2 data, like 
payroll, ERP, etc.  Why not?  Because of the cost and difficulty of the HA 



solutions.  Domino clustering was so easy to set up.  The only bugaboo in 
Domino clustering is you have to copy the databases over there in the 
first place.  (That's why we purchased the Akornn software.)

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 
Benjamin Franklin 
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message: 5
date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:10:21 -0500
from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
subject: /?Open

On an R5 server, leaving /?Open in your server documents home url brought 
up a list of databases.

IBM/Lotus has decided that this was too useful, and even though they gave 
you the option to configure your server to not allow database browse, that 

freedom of choice was an evil thing.  Therefore now, you have to put in 
the specific database.  For example http://myserver/mail/jblow.nsf
However just putting in the above will not prompt you for the userid and 
password.  Thus you do not have access to most of the mail functions.  So 
our users will have to use something like
http://NOTES01/MAIL/JBLOW.NSF?OpenDatabase&login

IBM has had numerous complaints about this.  As a resolution I was pointed 

to a document on how to create an agent in a database that will mimic this 

function.  Now if I can get a developer allocated here to actually 
implement this.
http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/today.nsf/62f62847467a8f78052568a80055b380/ca8ba86a52afb7d685256a3f004b7143?OpenDocument
 



Anyone else figure out a better workaround?

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