That's really wonderful, and I wish you the best luck.
One red flag though, halved at your age could be some
kind of really nasty job discrimination going on, and
that is double more likely since you said it happened to
other people as well.

You might want to check into that and if it is the case,
go for the juggler. That is really dirty pool, to use people though thier
most productive years, and then throw them away when they get near
expensive retirement status.

Unfortunately, it happens a lot more than people think. :(


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Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Consult400] Employee vs. SubContractor

> I thank you all profusely for your insightful remarks.
> I have only begun to digest your input.  I have re-read several posts
> times, getting a bit more out of the thinking about them each time.
> I have received several excellent replies off-line.
> I also sent this question to some people whom I think know me well enough
> understand my comfort levels.
> It was not my halved job that asked the question of employee vs.
> subcontractor, but rather what I faced when seeing what opportunities
> might be for a second part time job, or a third.
> Prior to job halved, I considered myself full time.  I took many projects
> home with me to work on outside the office.  I invited co-workers to use
> home phone # as an extended help desk any time they had a problem.  They
> thought they were paying for 40 hours, but they were getting 50 plus each
> week at the office and 25 plus from me at home. Now they do not want me
> any home work any more.  Now they think they are paying me for 20 hours,
> they are getting damn close to that.  There is a tiny amount of home work
> that is unavoidable.
> Since I am twinax at the office, I use my home PC for some work-related
> documents, such as access to IBM manuals, and a check list of stuff to do
> a recurring basis.  With the reduced hours it will be longer between
> so the check list helps me make sure nothing gets overlooked.  They have
> given me access to a PC at work to access IBM manuals, but I am not
> to print out stuff there unless get permission for whatever scenario, so
> I do is send the url to home PC to print later, because when I surfing, it
> pretty much HERE IS SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO HELP ME - print it & move
> I have got some pay from a second source that I have not yet paid taxes on
> my first job says that they can increase my payroll deductions to
>  I like the idea about not having to do any more paperwork to satisfy
> government requirements.  I not sure yet whether I like the idea of my
> employer knowing how much I making from secondary.  I might be more
> comfortable sending check to IRS for say 10% of each check from secondary,
> it comes, but IRS probably wants quarterly installments.  I probably don't
> have much time to figure out how to deal with that for first quarter of
> year.
> I enjoy participation on many discussion lists in which I try to give
> that are fair to the person asking the question, biting my tongue only
> it would be inappropriate to share some information that is confidential
> my employer.  In some lists, such as BPCS_L and eThesis, I think I give
> more to the community than the education I get from them.  But if I am
> to be working with a vendor who is a player in the population of the list,
> then I also have to balance what is fair to the person asking the question
> with what is fair to the vendor contributing to my income.  This is going
> impact my comfort level with list participation.
> I have enjoyed a diversity of job responsibilities:
> brainstorming; troubleshooting; conversions;
> develop new applications; modify existing applications;
> on going projects with many variables; general user tech support;
> application analysis; programming; testing; operations; security;
> I would hate to be doing only one of those things.
> Kenneth's contrasts were a dynamite presentation, in which my score on his
> scale is smack dab in the middle between the two extremes, which
> how neither end is an entirely comfortable place for me.  On a few of his
> examples I was closer to one end than the other, but in the vast majority
> was at the middle.
> I get satisfaction from:
> the actual work; the deliverables;
> witnessing co-workers doing their job productively using deliverables that
> created.
> So long as my bills are paid & I am able to sock something away into
> I would like to keep this up forever, doing work I enjoy doing.
> Thus I am working for both the money and the satisfaction, not one or the
> other.
> I never reach a point where I think a deliverable is perfect.
> I always see opportunities to further improve it.
> But the end users are paying for my time & there are lots of other things
> they might want me to work on, so ultimately they have to say whether it
> good enough & I should move on to something else, or consult with me on
> further improvements they need.
> Thus on money's worth vs. deliverables, I am in the middle, passing the
> to the customer to define when it is satisfactory.
> Some friends have asked if I interested in relocating from Evansville to
> other community where they think the jobs market is superior.  Well I got
> here by doing analysis of nice cities to live in, then only job hunting in
> those cities.  For example, the bookstores per thousand population is
> astronomical, and my apartment has several thousand of each kind of
> publication.  I am not eager to pack this up.  The last time I moved, I
> away half my collection to disabled veterans hospital libraries, nursing
> homes, and such like, then I still had over 10,000 paper backs, and about
> half that bulk again in hard backs & magazines to move.  I estimate that
> collection is triple that now.
> I am almost age 60.
> One of the reasons I want to stick with the company that halved me is that
> there are a lot of people working there that are older than me.  I have
> witnessed people who continued to work until after age 80 in which their
> hours diminished over time & some were doing one day a week for several
> before they finally retired.
> Assuming my duties continue to drift into areas of less stress, then I
> that what I do for them is of such a nature that they can continue to mine
> what I know about their business & computer system as the actual hours
> diminish.
> Assuming the economy & company get turned around so that they build up the
> hours of overall staff, I would expect they would build up customer
> engineering, and other application based positions before needing me to
> tinker more heavily with some software.  The main project I working on
> now is disk space consumption analysis to try to identify & get rid of
> is not really needed.  This involves tens of thousands of tiny objects,
and I
> am seriously considering writing some software to do some of this work for
> me, especially with respect to what will be a future recurring need.
> We are on version 4 BPCS which uses new releases of software in library
> ahead of earlier version sets, but the exact collection of objects don't
> match.  The largest program is 5 Meg & we have 6 copies.  There's tens of
> thousands of duplicates like that & I figure we can recover approx 750 Meg
> I consolidate it all, so my planned software will compare object for
> across 2 library versions at a time & if there's a name match, delete the
> older version.
> I can already see that I am slowing down.
> I used to be able to read a several hundred page novel in several hours,
> reading several novels in one day.
> Now the same length novel takes me 2-3 days.
> When I was 30, I was able to do several weeks in a row of 100+ hours no
> so long as I could focus on doing the work without a lot of friction.
> There was one year I did a conversion in which I was working 8 am to 2 am
> Monday through Saturday, then coming in for 6 hours each Sunday ... we
> going from a punched card environment to on-line in a home brew
> in which everything had to be re-written & thoroughly tested, in addition
> the conversion process.
> I did our Y2K conversion in 1998 & I would do 80 hours one week & it
> drained me & I would have to limit myself to 2 consecutive weeks of 60
> before putting in more time.
> Last year I told my boss that I felt some strain & needed to take some
> off.
> I had no intention or desire for getting this much off.
> The idea of telecommuting appeals to me, but everyone I have ever met who
> a good telecommuting job, they started out as an on site person then
> into that position.  For example, I have had some tech support people who
> started out in the HQ city of the vendor, then spouse moved job to another
> city, and now they do the same tech support they did all along, but from a
> different city & slightly different time zone, which is also to the
> of the vendor, in having a wider range of service hours.
> (Alister Wm Macintyre) (Al Mac)
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