I would be interested if the IRS agreed with your definitions. Matt Milne Freelance AS/400 SAP BASIS consultant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth H. Werner" <KHWerner@prodigy.net> To: <email@example.com> Cc: "non-technical discussions" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [Consult400] Employee vs. SubContractor > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > Are you a W2 employee or a series of W2 employee -- or -- are you a > business? > > As a business you build a partnership and business alliance with another > business entity. They are NOT your customer. (I am a customer of the > person that cuts my yard. I am in partnership with my medical doctor > since we jointly work to keep me healthy). As a business your > opportunity to make money is by being on their side. As a business you > bill for value received by the partner from your services. As a business > you bill high enough so that you can afford to take the partner's phone > calls with questions when you completed the engagement. You are a W2 > employee if you want earnings guaranteed when you are keeping a chair > warm at the customer's site and/or you lower your rate just so that you > can get the project. > > Employees require help from peers and mentors to meet the schedule; > businesses are able to more stand on their own although they at times do > use peers. > > Although most engagements are based on hours, you are a business if you > do many fixed priced engagements. You are a W2 employee if you fear > fixed pricing and want the safety of being paid for every hour. > > You are a W2 employee if you believe big business is bad and/or you > believe the IT management is people that couldn't make it technically. > > You are a W2 employee is you like engagements were the project is > dubious since the customer is less concerned about deliverables. You are > a business if you are concerned that your business partner gets their > money's worth and all deliverables. > > You are a W2 employee if you work for or are motivated by money. You are > a business if what motivates you is the feeling of achievement and > accomplishment of value received by your business partner when you go > home at nights; you know money will follow if you are delivering value. > > You are a W2 employee if you watch the clock. You are a business if you > see the need for and you give extra time to your business partner.. > > As a business you keep continue to FORMALLY educate yourself. An > estimate of cost is a minimum of $20,000 per year. You are a W2 employee > if you believe the client should provide education, you do education on > the customer's dime or you believe the world owes you a job because you > graduated from college. You are a W2 employee if you are working based > on past learned skills and plan to return to proprietary employment to > update your skills when past learned skills are no longer good enough. > > The difference between employee and subcontractor is not a matter of > taxes, liability for work product, copyright owner or how much you are > supervised. > > > MacWheel99@aol.com wrote: > > >from Al Macintyre > > > >I need an education in the differences in what is involved - > >responsibilities, relationships, finances, gotchas - between being an > >employee or being a subcontractor, probably both part time & telecommuting. > >Perhaps someone point me at some web site that spells this out in terms that > >are meaningful to a computer professional, who for most of my life has worked > >for people who are not technical managers, so it seems to me that the biggest > >difference one job to the next is the degree to which my manager comprehends > >the details of what I am doing for the company, and the degree to which the > >manager imposes upon me constraints based on that understanding, or lack of > >understanding. > > > >For example, I have had managers, and end users, insist on some standards > >that I felt were not in the best interests of corporate computer security, or > >efficient use of resources, or accuracy in output, because of theirexperience, training, background & so forth. They are the boss, so after an > >arguement, I comply. > > > >As some of you know, I work at Global Wire Technologies in Evansville, which > >did a name change last year from Central Industries of Indiana, then due to > >the recession's impact on Wiring Harness Manufacturing laid off some office > >staff and in my case cut my hours and pay in half. There is the expectation, > >not promise, that as the economy & business turn around, there may be a > >future increase in my hours, but since I am in a computer support role I tend > >to think that other office positions will get the growth long before they > >need more hours from me. > > > >So I became available for part time work, where there is no obvious conflict > >of interest with my "day job" where I still work swing shift late afternoon > >hours, early evening. > > > >I have been asked the question - do I want to work as an employee or as a sub > >contractor? My ans > >wer has been that I have no idea, what are the > >differences? Well, I feel like I have a grasp of some of them but not a good > >picture. > > > >As I do get a better understanding, then I will be asking people who know me > >quite well to advise whether I would be happy in this or that relationship or > >head in this or that direction. I also plan to write up something like > >http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2002/03/28.html#a1164 > > > >except where Robert Scoble is only describing what kind of a company he wants > >to work for & what he expects from them, > >I need to describe what I like & want to do for any company, > >I need to describe what often comes with the territory that I am NOT eager to > >be doing much of, > >and out of lists of what I have seen in my career, > >both what I desire & do not desire from the work environment. > > > >I have heard several > > examples of the differences between employee & > >subcontractor in which it becomes extremely murky ... how is this different > >from my professional career? > > > >There is the question of degree to which my boss directs what I do. > >Well, for most of my career as am employee, it has been to keep the computer > >and applications running smoothly & doing such modifications as the end users > >might desire, to help them do their work more productively. Technical > >details have been up to me for 95% of my bosses, their only input being > >relative priority of which of many possible things I might work on, and often > >it left up to me to determine priorities. > > > >The users, for who I do modifications, don't direct me either ... it is team > >projects. > >They try to communicate their needs, I try to understand what they really > >need in computer terms, often with the help of other users, I suggest things > >that I think are doable that would help them, we let ou > >r respective bosses > >know what is going down unless they object, primarily because bosses have > >veto power over what we work on, but the most important reason for me is > >because of the other users who will be impacted by whatever we are up to & we > >need the managers to help with consensus building, and if they ask for > >estimates I warn that this is never an exact science & there will always be > >surprises, but if they expecting something done in X weeks, I periodically > >revise when I expect it will be done, before the X weeks are actually up. > > > >In all modifications I try to break it into parts that can be implemented > >independently & consult with the users as to which are most critical to them, > >so that if the effort gets interrupted by some other priority & this whole > >effort is never completed, the odds are that they will always get some of > >what they desire in any project. I also leave documentation inside of the > >programs so th > >at if a fellow professional picks up pieces after I disappear, > >they do not have to go back to scratch. Usually that fellow professional is > >me, many months later, after I have forgotten about that project due to > >others in the interim. > > > >I have primarily worked in enterprises where the company hired such people as > >were needed to run sales, accounting, and so forth & they hired me to run > >their computer, and I was the only person in that area of technical knowledge > >and responsibility. When a situation came up that I felt I lacked what it > >took to get the job done, I would speak up & suggest that we ask this of IBM > >or IBM Partner. > > > >There is the question of when I am there. > >Well, except when there is a major project when they want the max hours that > >I am able to deliver, they basically expect that I put in a minimum X hours a > >week, on the average with my time sufficiently overlapping the users times so > >that they can communica > >te their needs to me. > > > >There is the question of the tools that I would use. > >Well, when I am on site, there are the corporate resources & whatever I bring > >in with me to help my own productivity. Global nee Central in the past had > >been very liberal about giving new professional employees whatever they asked > >for on their desk top that they said they needed like Word Perfect or > >Microsoft Word or something else, but as the company is getting more > >integrated network oriented they are becoming more that everyone is using the > >same sets of tools. > > > >I am interested in doing new work by telecommuting from my home computer, > >which might not be up to that task, since its acquisition & upgrades were > >sufficient to support past history home computer needs, but part time > >telecommuting probably needs something more. It is Win 98 on Pentium III > >with about 3 Gig disk space unused (50% utilization), 320 Meg Memory, > >recently added a CD-Rom/W > >rite drive (to experiment with backup that way), on > >the low end of display quality resolution (because I not like to futz with PC > >settings when switching to DOS games), bottom of browser & e-mail barrel, > >"high speed" Internet connection, protected by Norton Firewall. I have > >several flaky challenges & not really want to move forwards to the next > >Microsoft flaky solution to some earlier Microsoft flaky problem. > > > >I am told that Client Access to connect to some company's 400 is licensed so > >that the place I working for would pay IBM license based on number of users > >(sessions?) connecting ... i.e. "free" to the end user, but somehow I have to > >figure out how to get this to my PC & learn what the impact is going to be on > >my PC resources. > > > >MacWheel99@aol.com (Alister Wm Macintyre) (Al Mac) > >_______________________________________________ > >This is the Consult > >ing on the iSeries / AS400 (Consult400) mailing list > >To post a message email: Consult400@midrange.com > >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, > >visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/consult400 > >or email: Consult400email@example.com > >Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives > >at http://archive.midrange.com/consult400. > > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > This is the Consulting on the iSeries / AS400 (Consult400) mailing list > To post a message email: Consult400@midrange.com > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/consult400 > or email: Consult400firstname.lastname@example.org > Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives > at http://archive.midrange.com/consult400. > >
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