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Joe, and all, this thread should be moved, but for my 2 cents.... most of us here, are indeed, programmers. I would feel sorely disrespected were someone to say I wasn't. go ahead, make my day! Most of the time, i don't care to know EXACTLY what goes on under the covers, as long as I know what it's supposed to do, and my results are consistant. But that doesn't stop me from digging deeper when the fever catches me. Joe, you ARE a dinosaur, as well as a programmer, a bit twiddler, a businessman and an innovator. I for one am glad there are the Joe Plutas, Brad Stones, and Scott Klements, et al of the world who will do most of that bit twiddling for the rest of us. Makes my job a lot easier. Next thread please ;) rick ----------original message-------- Maybe I am a dinosaur, I dunno. But I do know that with the simple model II JSP (that is a servlet calls business logic to gather data and sends it to a JSP) that there's hardly a line of code in there that you can't debug yourself, and that makes me real comfortable when I recommend it to my clients.
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