RE: WDSC and Linux -- CODE400-L

>The .NET code I've seen is frighteningly bad stuff, with presentation,
business logic and communication all bundled into one
place. 

Wouldn't that be up to the programmer developing the programs.  You can
write that kind of code in Java too, doesn't mean that Java is bad.  

>The tools may be great, but the idea of programming is not doing what's
easy - that's the kind of job that gets outsourced.
I want to focus on what my customer needs, not be worried about when IBM is
going to get the next version of the JDK on the iSeries so I can use the
latest JDK functionality.

>How many .NET programmers you think there are in India?  China?  How do you
plan to compete with them?
I have no idea, and it doesn't concern me.  I am not in the consulting
business nor does our company out-source projects or coding.  We might hire
consultants to come in and teach us (had Jon and Susan earlier this year)
but we don't hire them to code our apps.  We are in completely different
worlds.

Maybe your customers look to you to write utilities, but my customers look
to me to write applications that can give them the competitive advantage.
We have so many requests that deal with bringing in new business that we are
beside ourselves with how to get them done.  The problem is that we are
trying to do it with tools that make us first learn low-level concepts (or
even develop entire solutions), and then try and get the project out within
the deadlines provided.  With the tools I have right now I never meet
deadlines because I am always battling with some obscure process or open
source software.  I am hoping that M$ IDE's and software will solve that,
because they have the same functionality (from what I have seen so far)
except it is bundled exceptionally well.    

Aaron Bartell 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Pluta [mailto:joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:26 AM
To: CODE/400 Discussion & Support
Subject: RE: WDSC and Linux


> From: Of Bartell, Aaron L.
>
> I hope to defect this year yet.  I am taking up .NET using Visual Studio.

I wish you the best, Aaron, although I'm not particularly seeing a lot of
growth in that area.  The .NET code I've seen is frighteningly bad stuff,
with presentation, business logic and communication all bundled into one
place.  The tools may be great, but the idea of programming is not doing
what's easy - that's the kind of job that gets outsourced.

How many .NET programmers you think there are in India?  China?  How do you
plan to compete with them?

.NET may become the sweatshop sneaker of software development.

Joe

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