Re: C coding

@Jon: Yeah, that quote is a classic. Regarding the business application
suitability, I think it's to a large degree down to how much you value
portability and onboarding of OS agnostic good coders as well as usage of
very basic standard tools such as version control and the option to use
which compiler you want. You can't even use say git on source code stored
in QSYS right (which most shops still seem to)?
That said, most OS/400 apps I've seen would be much more maintainable and
flexible if they were written in say Python (but Guido is saying that he
has no interested in supporting architectures not built on supersets of
ASCII).

@Frank. Before continuing this, let me tell you that I am merciless against
straw man arguments.

@Jevgeni: Thanks. I was going to stay out of this, but as you mentioned,
this being (or at least at once was) a C list I just couldn't help myself
when the nonsense never stopped.

To end this on a lighter note, here is a nice presentation on C++:
http://www.fefe.de/c++/c%2B%2B-talk.pdf



On 14 February 2014 15:09, Jevgeni Astanovski <
Jevgeni.Astanovski@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Frank,
How do you know what it is to give bearth?
To clarify - do you mean for mother or for child?
Or for father? Then it is more like a pleasure...

Learning C is indeed not like breathing, but as soon as you know how to
master it, writing is as easy as breathing.
I read the thread with great interest as a person who write business
applications on ILE/C - and do not suffer much.
Of course - you better understand things when you compare them, but should
anyone in any situation compare all possibilities to make a right choice?
Then he will probably forget the goal at some moment.

You complain about ILE/C compiler? Try to read chinese. You probably will
not understand even a single letter. Is it because chinese is bad?
But look, more than 1G people speak this language. So maybe it is you, who
is bad?

I personally haven't seen anything more awfull than java environment error
messages. Well, there's also LISP with one error message: NIL.

C is not "just a tool". C is a language that, as Erik mentioned, is on the
distinguished first place in TIOBE index (
http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html) and it
is there for a long time: 15%-20% during last 10 years. Compared to a niche
RPG having less than 0.3%....

Possibility to shoot into your leg? Yes, probably. But it is not a problem
of a rifle, it is a problem of a user! Rifle is not guilty anyhow.

And after all, guys, it is a C group - even if it has been recently
renamed to something else. There is another group for RPG.


-----Original Message-----
From: c400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:c400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of frank kolmann
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 9:42 AM
To: c400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [C400-L] C coding

Hi Erik

I have recently gone through the agony of learning C.
I am by no means an expert. However all the other languages I learnt as
easy as breathing.
Learning C was like giving birth.

Finding C syntax errors on compiles is like winning a lottery, it is so
very Very very hard, I almost need to have a compiler in my head.

If C is best we have for coding it is no mystery to me that Program
Coding is beyond the ability of most people.
I find it tremendously ironic that programmers set up systems to make life
easier for others but no one, it seems, can set up a programming language
that is both powerful and simple to code.

C is just a tool and it is appropriate for what it does.

One chooses the vehicle appropriate for the task, imo using C for business
code is like using a crawler tractor with a hydraulic powered jack hammer
to crack a nut myself I prefer to use nutcracker pliers (RPG ILE).


PS calling people names does not help your argument.

If someone thinks of C as mainly a vehichle to help you shooting
yourself in the foot then you should probably go into some business.
That is just ignorant and moronic. The language at number 1 for feb
2014 in the TIOBE index, really? Remind me, where is RPG IV again? I
guess the leaders of North Korea think they are the centre of the

universe too.
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