Hi Joe,

Before this gets out-of-hand I'm not in any way being serious in digging at SSA/Infor.
However, I can't agree completely with your first comment - "never deliver software unfinished" - sadly there were a few releases that should have had more than a few minutes testing. Version 3.0.0 is a typical example of this. I remember working for a software house in the early 90's and we had major problems with simple programs such as pick release/confirm and multiple selections not working. A user would select a ton of line to release/confirm and then press F6 to accept - the program would then process..... the last record selected! Loved that one! I suppose I shouldn't complain - it kept me in work for years!

I know this is in the dark ages and memories are almost always coloured by negative rather than positive times so I'll stop here.

Regards,
Paul



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<chuckle>

Okay, you're forcing me to defend the honor of my erstwhile employer!
Back in the 80s and 90s when I was the Manager of Architecture at SSA, I had a pretty solid insight into the delivery of the product. We never delivered software "unfinished" in order to gin up business for our associates. However, there were areas that we expected to be modified.
For example we didn't put a ton of work into making a beautiful invoice because we knew that was the first thing that every one of our clients customized - and that no matter how fancy we made it, nobody would be happy.

I will say, though, that our first release of a PRODUCT (e.g., Finite Forward Scheduling, or JIT) might be pretty bare bones. That was a corporate philosophy: get the product out the door with basic functionality and let the field tell us what was needed. Typically it would take one release cycle for the product to be what I would consider to be fully featured.

Joe


Once upon a time SSA did much of its sales via 3rd parties, and it was
rumored that BPCS was deliberately shipped in an unfinished condition,
so the 3rd parties could make money finishing the job. But the story
I am more likely to believe is when a company does most of its sales
via 3rd parties, it tends to lose sight of what real customers need.

Search BPCS archives for more links to BPCS documentation.

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Hi Al,

Thanks for the pointers to the BPCs documentation - I'll have a look
at that today.
As a side-line we've been using our modified invoice re-print for
years (using a prompt for an invoice range). As we have a fairly
straight-forward setup here we can request an invoice number and it
will always be the right one. I've always felt SSA/Infor/whoever_next
need to get their combined heads together and work out what customers
want and not what's easy for them to code - but I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one to think that!

Best regards,
Paul



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I am on version 405CD and somewhat familiar with this from long past
efforts.

I believe SYS656 is associated with verification that the person
running the BPCS tasks is in fact one of the authorized BPCS users.
When we sign onto BPCS interactively, through BPECEMENU CL, this calls
into our library list and Job description, a cacophony of conditions
and settings associated with our BPCS profile settings.

When we launch a BPCS job to JOBQ from our interactive reality, it
carries with it this cacophony of settings and authorizations, so
everything works fine. Someone trying to setup something outside of
BPCS, to launch some modified software, which might be invoked by CALL
CMDSCDE or other System
i/400 capability outside of BPCS, needs to understand and replicate
that cacophony. This is explained in BPCSDOC file, which we can access via PDM.
Look for the member SSALOG00 which is a logic manual explaining how
BPCS works, including the cacophony of weird settings needed by people
doing modifications and add-ons to BPCS.

I feel there is a need for a BIL561 version which could reprint a
string of invoices based on a date range, cust# range, etc. It seems
to me that
BIL561 has a prompt-like program to get the info needed to reprint ONE
invoice, so what is needed is a parallel program to get a string of
such info packages, and be connected to a spool file which does not
end getting added to until all the inner pieces have quit running.

Al Mac (WOW) = Alister William Macintyre via WOW WAY.com ISP
2012 April I had a serious PC melt down, from which I am still
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Subject: [BPCS-L] Billing re-print automation

Hi,

I'm trying to create an automated process that uses the BPCS reprint
program BIL561. However, it's crashing with an error that points to
program SYS656CC and I a tad confused about it. I think it's to do
with a job failing to send a message to a workstation message queue,
but I wondered if anyone had already done something similar and how they approached it.

By the way, we're on version 6.0.02.

Regards,
Paul




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