upgrading from 4.05cd to v6.1.

When I was working for Volex, the volex bpcs's expert Elaine Rabitor base in Boston did the migration.

6.1 is very slow due to the many sql used. need to observe and rebuild the indexes so that it did not rebuild everytime the sql us executed.
buy more ram and bue a much larger cpw then needed will save the process speed problem.

best of luck.


She is base in Boston. really good. the process is moving it dow

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   1. Re: IBM i 6.1 and 405CD (Pete Helgren)
   2. Workflow & Event Managing Software (Jenny Carr)
   3. Re: LX Advantages (Bryce Martin)
   4. Re: Workflow & Event Managing Software (Bryce Martin)
   5. Re: LX Advantages (DeeDee Virgei)
   6. Re: IBM i 6.1 and 405CD (rob@xxxxxxxxx)
   7. Re: IBM i 6.1 and 405CD (Don Cavaiani)


message: 1
date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 12:07:58 -0700
from: Pete Helgren <pete@xxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [BPCS-L] IBM i 6.1 and 405CD

Thanks for all the replies.  Looks like there are some programs we
cannot have source code for and thus will be stuck at V5R4.

I think Infor pitched around $80,000 for the software upgrades/etc.  We
never really got down to brass tacks on the other costs. It was
heartening that they would "upgrade" the customer since they had been
off maintenance for so long but my guess is that they were hoping to
earn back some revenue with consulting.  Too bad SSA/Infor delivered so
little value for so long that caused them to drop maintenance.  Taking
customers for granted never pays.....

So, right now, here is where we are:

1.    Buy a new box and begin modernization work on BPCS using PHP.  The
current (new) staff is very familiar with PHP development on i and doing
it side by side would allow them the luxury of delivering new
applications as they can.  The big issue is replicating the business
logic of the large applications.  Putting a new front end on a data
maintenance application is relatively easy.  Recreating the business
logic in RPG is the tough part.  They have source so it might be
possible.  Big project though....

2.    Buy a new "Solution Edition" IBM i running LX/BPCS.  So, rather
than buying an "upgrade" just approach them as a new install.  There is
some "solutions" pricing out there for LX on i and it may be cheaper
(don't know) than upgrading.  Then they could migrate data/application a
module at a time side by side.

The good news is that this is an i shop and will always be an i shop for
the foreseeable future.  It may not always be a BPCS shop, but they want
to stay on i for all the right reasons.

Pete Helgren
Value Added Software, Inc

On 12/3/2010 4:00 PM, Pete Helgren wrote:
Already talked to infor.  The asking price is a bit too much in this
economy (says management...).

That is just the point.  We own the source, the objects should be
observable or recompile to make it so (except for those 61 exceptions)
.  There isn't anything inherent in IBM i 6.1 that would fundamentally
change  the way the programs or DB would work.  Just seems like it
should be relatively straightforward.

Just wondering if there was anyone like us running heavily customized,
not on support for a decade, 405CD.  Sounds like nobody on the list has
made *that* jump.  We still may try it.  The box is an old 270.
Maintenance is going up, yada, yada, so we'd like to move to a new box,
but 6.1 is the lowest supported OS version for a newer box.


Pete Helgren
Value Added Software, Inc

On 12/3/2010 2:12 PM, Bill wrote:
On 12/03/10 7:41 AM, Pete Helgren wrote:
Has anyone on 405CD upgraded to IBM i 6.1? ANZOBJCVN shows BPCS has 61
objects that may have issues and none of them have source (which is
interesting). We were thinking about recompiling the objects that lacked
observability but we may have other issues. Just curious if anyone
successfully made the jump and if so, how it was accomplished.

You will need to get in touch with Infor for pricing to obtain the
recompiled objects.



message: 2
date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:28:54 -0600
from: Jenny Carr <jgcarr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: [BPCS-L] Workflow & Event Managing Software

Thanks for the info, Bryce.  Do you use Infor's software for this or
somebody else's?  The price seems a bit steep, but I always seem to think
software is overpriced.  :)

Jenny Carr
VP - Information Technology
The Durham Company
P.O. Box 908
Lebanon, MO  65536



message: 3
date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:29:08 -0500
from: Bryce Martin <BMartin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: [BPCS-L] LX Advantages

No, I don't believe so.

Bryce Martin
Programmer/Analyst I

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Re: [BPCS-L] LX Advantages


Is that the Sharepoint-based product?


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Subject: Re: [BPCS-L] LX Advantages

One thing we are looking at is the Workflow and Event Management
The Workflow would be great for your engineers as it would only have
filling in the data that they need to.  Then accounting can handle item
class and such for their duties.  Depending on your organization size it

could run you $100,000, but once you see the demo you'll realize that
could easily get ROI in a very short period of time.

Bryce Martin
Programmer/Analyst I

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[BPCS-L] LX Advantages

Despite being in an IT role, my background is manufacturing.  Hopefully
perspective isn't too biased.

1) Multi-level shop order release - this feature will save our
more than 7 hours per day as we would manually put on shop orders and
release them to put them out as a group instead of mass MRP release.
2) Increased field lengths helps - especially on planner code where it
facilitate grouping of orders, etc. to more granular levels.
3) DRP - we operate multiple facilities and companies which have shared
parts, so this will reduce transactions.
4) Default warehouse/location in IIM - this will reduce all the errors
associated with order entry in wrong warehouse.
5) No longer have to do allocations except on resupply orders.
6) Improved functionality in purchasing/sales to handle quotes and
7) Although we won't see some of this till after implementation, the new
configurable acctg should allow better slicing and dicing of financial
statements with a GUI reporting tool.  3-way match updates costing.
8) IDF - we still haven't fine-tuned the security, but it is a really
GUI reporting tool that has built-in views that can be customized with
drill-down capability, changing views, etc.
9) EDI
10) PLC codes - We will implement in January, but it provides better
of phasing engineering items into and out of production.
11) 5-6 user defined fields in IIM, RCM and Vendor Master (AVM?)
12) Supposedly, moving forward, you can upgrade module at a time instead

13) More filters on picking and other operations.  Sales inquiry was a
more cumbersome, but IDF we think will help.  Webtop may help once we
into that.
14) More exit points to work with other programs - haven't done this
but we want to.
13) Biggest reason for us - no support on our heavily modified version
lots of mods.  We looked at other software, but the
costs increase drastically when you have to change everything you know.
Overall, everybody seems pleased - manufacturing, sales, purchasing,
accounting.  Engineering doesn't like all the additional pages on the
master, but we think there are some ways around that longer term.  And
are other things they do like.

Jenny Carr
VP - Information Technology
The Durham Company
P.O. Box 908
Lebanon, MO  65536


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