RE: BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC

Sigit,

I migrated BPCS 4.03 from CISC to RISC and the process for 405CD will be the
same.  You will be able to just restore your libraries and data to the RISC
box without any problem and at the time of the restore you can opt to have
the programs converted to RISC as they are restored or at first touch, which
means that the programs will be converted to RISC the first time they are
run.  I have done it both ways and didn't really see one advantage over the
other.  Now what you will also have to do is get a library from SSA that I
believe as called V40SECURER which was all the security and system level
programs that you will not have to source for and therefore will not convert
and you will need to put this library at the top of your library list.  The
other problem you will run into is that since the BPCS key is tied to the
serial number of the box you will have to go back to SSA and receive a new
license key for your new box and since you are no longer on OGS I have no
clue what SSA is going to want to charge you for the V40SECURER library and
the new license key.  I hope this helps.  If you have any questions I will
be glad to talk to you about them offline please just give me a call at the
number below..  Good Luck

Maurice Hastings
Techical Specialist
Heartland Building Products, Inc.
Boonville, MS  38829
(662) 728-6261 ext 132

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Today's Topics:

   1. BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC
      MODEL 520 (i5) (sigit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
   2. Re: BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC
      MODEL 520 (i5) (Alister Wm Macintyre)
   3. Re: BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC
      MODEL     520 (i5) (tay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
   4. RE: BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC
      MODEL     520(i5) (Yan Shargorodsky)


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message: 1
date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:02:32 +0700
from: sigit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
subject: BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC
        MODEL 520       (i5)





Dear All,

We are now using BPCS ver 405CD in CISC AS400 model, and want to upgrade
AS400 machine to RISC AS400 model 520 (i5).
To move our system from old CISC AS400 machine to RISC AS400 machine, can I
backup all our BPCS library on old machine and then restore it to new
machine ? Or we must install BPCS 405CD for RISC sistem ?
If we don't have OGS maintenance, how about the licence expense ?

Thank You for your attention and information
Sigit
Jakarta-Indonesia




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message: 2
date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:43:38 -0500
from: Alister Wm Macintyre <macwheel99@xxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC
        MODEL 520 (i5)

We are on 405CD on RISC and migrated CISC to RISC on an earlier version of 
BPCS many years ago ... I have only the vaguest recollections of the
process.

SSA used to supply the source code with versions of BPCS prior to version 
6, but I think that today they will charge extra money to let you have 
source code, so be careful with what you have.

My memory is that the software had to be "observable", which either 
involved recompiling all the programs a certain way on the RISC box, or 
getting replacement from SSA.  In other words, software is written for CISC 
or RISC or both, and you want to be sure that what you have that is running 
on a CISC machine, will in fact work on a RISC machine.  That was one topic.

We went through a lot of defective tapes from SSA before we got one that 
loaded correctly.

What would happen was that after we went from CICS to RISC
each time anyone tried to execute some program for the first time since the 
hardware conversion,
that program went through a conversion

Another topic is that BPCS is licensed to run on a particular AS/400.
If you backup your BPCS on one AS/400 then restore it to another AS/400, it 
will not run on the new AS/400 because the serial # of that machine is 
different from the serial # of the earlier AS/400.
You have to get your license changed to be on the new machine.

We went through many months of management arguing with SSA before the price 
for license upgrade was acceptable, then we went through a lot of defective 
license keys before we got one that worked.

I have been begging my current management not to sign any hardware upgrade 
deal until we have the SSA price for moving BPCS nailed down, because the 
SSA bill could be tje biggest part of the whole package ... it might pay to 
delay our hardware upgrade more years because of that.

In one conversion we did not use backup tape ... we leased a special 
connector from IBM in which a box pretended to be a work station and we 
"piped" our stuff from our old machine over a wire to the new machine which 
had OS/400 pre-loaded.

Depending on how heavily modified you are, you can buy your AS/400 
preloaded with OS/400, BPCS etc..

you wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>We are now using BPCS ver 405CD in CISC AS400 model, and want to upgrade
>AS400 machine to RISC AS400 model 520 (i5).
>To move our system from old CISC AS400 machine to RISC AS400 machine, can I
>backup all our BPCS library on old machine and then restore it to new
>machine ? Or we must install BPCS 405CD for RISC sistem ?
>If we don't have OGS maintenance, how about the licence expense ?
>
>Thank You for your attention and information
>Sigit
>Jakarta-Indonesia




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message: 3
date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:20:38 +0800
from: tay@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
subject: Re: BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC
        MODEL   520 (i5)


Try to get SSA's BPCS 1.8 or 2.0 run on IBM old system/38 machine. That
version of BPCS have some SYSxxx CL programs source code, from there you
will find how to by pass SSA check machine number. Then you can upgrate to
any new model of AS/400 and without pay any cents to SSA BPCS license fee.
The SYSxxx CL programs, such as SYS010C, 615C 616C and etc, can't remember.
It worth, pls.try it and wish good luck !

>From :Tay





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message: 4
date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:56:11 -0400
from: "Yan Shargorodsky" <yshargorodsky@xxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC
        MODEL   520(i5)

Sigit,

I worked with a number of clients, who migrated from CICS to RISC in the
Past. There are a few programs that will not convert to RISC, primarily
System Security, license validation. You will not have source code for
those. On top of it your license key is for different machine. Your company
needs to review an agreement with SSA and talk to SSA rep to see what the
costs of upgrade might be. I strongly suggest not to try to obtain missing
programs from elsewhere unless your company has other sites running those
releases, otherwise the cost of lawsuits and penalty may end up being much
greater than the cost of OGS.
If your are using BIR for reporting, it absolutely will not work on RISC box
and you will need to find alternative.

Regards,

Yan Shargorodsky
Y&Y Solutions Inc.
Phone:(215) 741-7138
Cell:    (267) 934-8327
Email: yshargorodsky@xxxxxxxxxx


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Subject: BPCS 405CD migration FROM AS400 CISC MODEL to AS400 RISC MODEL
520(i5)






Dear All,

We are now using BPCS ver 405CD in CISC AS400 model, and want to upgrade
AS400 machine to RISC AS400 model 520 (i5).
To move our system from old CISC AS400 machine to RISC AS400 machine, can I
backup all our BPCS library on old machine and then restore it to new
machine ? Or we must install BPCS 405CD for RISC sistem ?
If we don't have OGS maintenance, how about the licence expense ?

Thank You for your attention and information
Sigit
Jakarta-Indonesia


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