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"QUOTE: We, as a company, have a policy of not sunsetting any product. UNQUOTE perhaps a misconception on my part ... I thought many versions of BPCS had already been sunsetted ... does this mean that BPCS will never be sunsetted, but they will continue to sunset some versions, or does it mean that all current versions can continue to infinity?" Al, SSA GT stopped sunsetting their BPCS releases as soon as Mike G. took over as CEO. We were concerned about that very subject two years ago when we attended the 2001 SSA GT Conference in Boca Raton, FL. We had (and still have) two environments of 4.05 CD and were making budgetary arrangements to convert them to the latest version (6.1.02 at the time) due to anticipating a sunset announcement, but got a big surprise instead. Mike took the stage at the conference and said sunsetting had changed - as long as someone was willing to pay OGS for a version and/or platform they will keep it viable. However, as fewer people are paying OGS on a release the level of service will go down as the amount of OGS fees per customer goes up. Basically the OGS fees received for each version will have to support the activities to keep that release viable. Some may view this as a penalty to be on less utilized platforms and/or versions, but I view it as a well thought out plan. SSA will not force you off a version, but will charge you higher fees to adequately maintain the version. If you don't like the fees for that version and/or platform, move to one of the others for better support, functionality, and fee structure. The choice is yours - not forced upon you by SSA. With that same mentality, at the same meeting he also said that versions and platforms which were in the majority of the user base would be addressed first with new functionality and then that functionality would be evaluated for release on other versions and/or platforms on a case by case basis. Again - the ability to make money driving which versions and/or platforms get functionality increases. Prior SSA management wanted their software to run on everything without thinking about the financial implications of such a decision. Back then, the complaint was that OGS dollars were funding the silliness of creating a UNIX version of BPCS - which they were and SSA didn't get very much of a return on that investment and neither did those of us on the AS/400 platform. With new mentality at SSA GT of each version/platform needing to support itself, I would not want to be running BPCS on any platform other than the AS/400 since 95% of the user base is on it. Understand that this is not a comment on the capabilities of the AS/400 versus other platforms - it is the fact that other platforms will have to pay a more aggressive OGS fee structure as the user base shrinks, may not see additional functionality unless the business case is made, and will see a lower level of support since fewer resources would be devoted to a such a small percentage of the user base. On your comment on AS/400 upgrading and BPCS key generation - I suspect people are looking to upgrade their box for variety of reasons. For some it may be due to migrating to another release of BPCS. Others may have a growth curve that is forcing them to increase their box capabilities. But I suspect the two main drivers of companies upgrading their AS/400s are IBM's method of OS/400 releases and hardware maintenance cost. First - IBM has forced AS/400 obsolescence with their OS/400 releases. Each new release is not supported on older AS/400s and they do not support more than two releases of OS/400. If you want to be current on your OS/400 release and receive software maintenance, you are forced to upgrade your AS/400 every so often. Second - the hardware maintenance cost of older AS/400s is higher than new AS/400s. At some point, it is better to invest those monies in new hardware rather than keep the old functional. At my company, our analysis showed that replacing our current 5 AS/400s with a new AS/400 that has more interactive and total CPW, more DASD, and more internal memory was cheaper and would break even at the two year mark if purchased and day one if leased. Timothy C. 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