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dear ms novak, thank you for this narrative!. certainly the management of BMR's is the most complicated part of keeping our bpcs system running, and knowing how to manage them most effectively is valuable. but your narrative raises two immediate questions! 1. why not prepare a supported cum package that includes all known bmr's at a given point in time? from the process that you describe, if i want to stay current and get the known BMR's applied to my system, i can just request a BMR explosion from you perhaps once a quarter. it would seem to me that if several clients were doing this on a recurring basis, you would be forever creating and distributing BMR bundles, and each one would be different. why not create a BMR bundle periodically once for the whole system and make it available to clients that are interested? this sure seems like a lot less work on your part! 2. in your narrative you mentioned Version 6.1.02. where did that come from? i have specifically called the help desk and the account rep and was told that the most current version of bpcs (version 6) is version 6.1.01 and that i needed to order a BMR bundle explosion of this release to get all of the additional BMR's that have been released since the V6.1.01 cum package. so what is the current status of version 6.1.xx? sincerely chick doe barton instrument systems >>> novakg@ssax.com 07/13/01 09:35AM >>> Hello, I suggest that you direct complaints about lack of cumulatives through your SSA GT account or sales representatives, so that your concerns are more formally presented to SSA GT management. One thing which is available now to customers is a personalized 'bundle' of BMRs created by Support Center, since support can combine several BMR numbers in a single library 'explosion' request. If you wanted to update for example the Order Entry programs to the latest and greatest, you could request the latest BMRs be cut for the involved programs (search on OGS in the BMR Objects section of the BMR search form for the object you wish to update, and write down a BMR number matching your BPCS release). Do this for each program you wish to update (some BMRs may include several programs). No matter what the BMR number is that you write down, as long as the BMR was completed for your BPCS version and release and contains the program you want to update, an 'explosion' of that BMR will always give you the latest code changes when the 'explosion' is built. That is to say, you don't need to list every BMR number ever done against the programs you are wanting to update -- for example if you find the program ORD701B in both BMR 5678 and in BMR6789 and both are showing as being completed in release 6.1.02, then by ordering EITHER ONE of the BMR numbers you will get the same version of ORD701B, and the explosion will in fact include code changes done for both BMR fixes. That is because the explosion program only takes the current code for that program, as the program exists on the day the BMR library is built. SSA GT does not maintain frozen levels of older copies of code on site for the purpose of sending out BMRs. We always send the latest fixes available from R&D on the day that the BMR library is created. This is the same as IBM does with PTFs (if you order a PTF and it is superseded, they always send you the newer one). The main difference is in terminology - at SSA GT the BMR explosion libraries keep the same name as the BMR which was originally ordered, even if the library ends up including a more recently completed BMR - therefore our BMR instructions tell you to look inside the library to see what was built. So, simply order ANY BMR done at your BPCS release and containing the programs you want to update, and thus you will get the very latest code changes for that program or programs. There is always a QTXTSRC text member which ships with an explosion library and this explains all the BMR code changes which were included in the explosion library on the day the explosion was run. This will give you something similar to a 'BMR Bundle' but you can custom target your requests towards a specific product or a set of related programs, which may also make it easier for you to do internal testing on the set of BMRs you receive. Another way to be pro-active about fixes you may require is to review the online OGS feature of 'Recently Passed BMRs' - this listing will show you recent completed changes, and you can review these weekly and decide if you should order them for your site. Searches of BMRs on the OGS site can now also be saved to your PC into comma delimited formats so that you can download the file to your own spreadsheets etc. for further analysis and review. Additionally, under the Product Support OGS section Technical Documents is a very important one called 'BMR Change Management' which explains what a BMR really is, and outlines strategies for applying BMRs and testing them on your systems. It is very important to apply any BMRs in DATE order (date of completion) rather than in BMR number order, or you will back-level parts of your code. For example, you would first apply a BMR bundle if it was cut 4 months ago, to your system, and you would then apply over that any new BMR libraries which were cut by Support Center (for example) 2 days ago - regardless of BMR number. Since a BMR explosion library is merely a collection of 'current' code based upon the DAY it is cut (i.e., the BMR number or name of the BMR library is basically irrelevant), you always want to make sure you have the most current BMR library applied -- in order of the DATE it was CUT by Support Center (not the date the BMR number on OGS was marked as completed). Newer (by cut date) BMR libraries should always be applied to the system over the older dated libraries, so that new code overwrites older code for any programs which are in both BMR libraries. And of course, always test your BMRs before putting them into a production environment, especially if you have modifications. Hope this helps somewhat. Thanks Genyphyr Novak SSA GT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chick Doe" <Cdoe@barton-instruments.com> To: <BPCS-L@midrange.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 1:25 AM Subject: Re: BMR bundle (yes/no)? > funny that this came up. i just spoke to the ssa help line about version 6.1.01 to ask if there were any plans for additional software distributions, ie V6.1.02. they said that there would be no more cumulative distributions for version 6.1, but they also said that there was a BMR bundle that was available, though it is not a supported version release of their software. so i requested the BMR bundle and will also be going through the testing process. if anybody has any experience with this BMR bundle, i'd sure like to hear their comments. and if there are 600+ BMRs in this BMR bundle, don't you think that's enough to package together as a supported release. we went through the same thing in version 6.04: cum tapes, followed by BMR bundles, followed by 'son of BMR bundle", followed by individual BMR's. i thought the goal was to have periodic, supported, distributions that included all of the BMR's so that you didn't have to apply the BMR's individually! > > chick doe > barton instrument systems > +--- | This is the BPCS Users Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to BPCS-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to BPCS-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to BPCS-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner: dasmussen@aol.com +--- +--- | This is the BPCS Users Mailing List! | To submit a new message, send your mail to BPCS-L@midrange.com. | To subscribe to this list send email to BPCS-L-SUB@midrange.com. | To unsubscribe from this list send email to BPCS-L-UNSUB@midrange.com. | Questions should be directed to the list owner: dasmussen@aol.com +---
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