RE: Fwd: COMMON Approacheth...

Hi Lisa,
Having been involved with ODW in my former SSA days, I can say it is a gui 
product that allows updates/development to existing and new AS/SET like data 
models and action diagrams. Some highlights include multi platform and SQL 
server.  Anyway if your issue in non gui and year 2000 conversion, maybe I 
can help.
Cathy H, Nexgen Software Technologies

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To: Hanch, Cathy; BPCS-L
Subject: Re: Fwd: COMMON Approacheth...

I, too, am a "former" member of AS/UG, and was very disappointed when it
suddenly
disappeared.  In spite of SSA's pretty much dropping the product (just try
getting
any support from the help line!), I'm sure there are still many people using
the
product that might be interested in a revival.  A former co-worker is now
working
with ODW at SSA, and says it's very close in structure to ADK ... and claims
it's
a fairly good product, at least in it's most recent form.  This tells me
there's
value to me keeping my hands in AS/SET, which I had begun to doubt.  Any
chance
of
getting some people together at COMMON?   (One good thing that came out of my
trips to the AS/UG meetings was that I've finally tried to give COMMON a try
..
looking forward to New Orleans this weekend!)

Lisa Abney
Universal Flavors / Indianapolis

DAsmussen wrote:

> Jerome,
>
>  In a message dated 98-04-16 09:36:39 EDT, you write:
>
>  <<snip>>
>  > We were supposed to morph into SSTUF (SSA Systems Technical Users Forum)
>  >  but got so tired of hearing how the AS/400 didn't matter that interest
>  >  waned.
>  >
>  >  Any other AS/UG folk monitoring this?
>
>  I attended Fall '95 AS/UG in Chicago, in the stead of my primary client at
> the time.  I listened to Mr. Shakir say that AS/Set was dead, and that your
> AS/Set programs wouldn't convert to ODW because it was procedural, and ODW
was
> object-oriented (after he showed up 4 hours late and said that his Mercedes
> broke down -- you can't tell _ME_ that they don't have taxicabs in Chicago,
or
> that Riz couldn't _afford_ one (:).  I also watched Jim Franch's jaw drop 
to
> his chest after someone mentioned Mr. Shakir's quote during a COMMON
session,
> and ask "why would have I just put BPCS into AS/Set if it was a dead
> product?".  Why indeed.  Another case (no pun intended) of the left hand 
not
> knowing what the right was doing at headquarters...
>
>  IMO, AS/UG was a _FANTASTIC_ forum that should have done more to
incorporate
> BPCS users.  Instead, there were a bunch of hacked-off people that had just
> purchased AS/Set hearing that they had poured their money down a hole. 
 Sean
> Adams' (of Q-Inter Systems in Canada) presentation on using SQL in AS/Set
was
> just what V5 and (and now, V6) newbies needed.  Yes, I'm biased -- I worked
> with Sean in Chicago on the C/S-COM prototype that was _supposed_ to have
been
> released with V_5_.  Other sessions were good as well, and are sorely
missed.
>
>  The membership requirements issue was _ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS_.  AS/UG 
wasn't
> affiliated with SSA in any way, form, or fashion -- so who _CARES_ where 
the
> checks come from as long as they don't bounce?  OK, maybe you wouldn't want
> reporters attending; however, a few consultants that didn't bother to
purchase
> AS/Set would enhance the group, IMO.  Speaking of which, _MY_ check from 
the
> Fall '95 conference is still outstanding -- what happened to the money????
>
>  The forum was good, and I'd be more than willing to help get it moving
again
> if anyone is interested...
>
>  Regards!
>
>  Dean Asmussen
>  Enterprise Systems Consulting, Inc.
>  Fuquay-Varina, NC  USA
>  E-Mail:  DAsmussen@aol.com
>
>  "If we fill our hours with regrets over yesterday, and with worries over
> tomorrow, we will have no time to be thankful for today." -- Anonymous
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: COMMON Approacheth...
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:52:32 EDT
> From: DAsmussen <DAsmussen@aol.com>
> Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
> To: Jromeh@aol.com
>
> Jerome,
>
> In a message dated 98-04-16 09:36:39 EDT, you write:
>
> <<snip>>
> > We were supposed to morph into SSTUF (SSA Systems Technical Users Forum)
> >  but got so tired of hearing how the AS/400 didn't matter that interest
> >  waned.
> >
> >  Any other AS/UG folk monitoring this?
>
> I attended Fall '95 AS/UG in Chicago, in the stead of my primary client at
the
> time.  I listened to Mr. Shakir say that AS/Set was dead, and that your
AS/Set
> programs wouldn't convert to ODW because it was procedural, and ODW was
> object-oriented (after he showed up 4 hours late and said that his Mercedes
> broke down -- you can't tell _ME_ that they don't have taxicabs in Chicago,
or
> that Riz couldn't _afford_ one (:).  I also watched Jim Franch's jaw drop 
to
> his chest after someone mentioned Mr. Shakir's quote during a COMMON
session,
> and ask "why would have I just put BPCS into AS/Set if it was a dead
> product?".  Why indeed.  Another case (no pun intended) of the left hand 
not
> knowing what the right was doing at headquarters...
>
> IMO, AS/UG was a _FANTASTIC_ forum that should have done more to 
incorporate
> BPCS users.  Instead, there were a bunch of hacked-off people that had just
> purchased AS/Set hearing that they had poured their money down a hole. 
 Sean
> Adams' (of Q-Inter Systems in Canada) presentation on using SQL in AS/Set
was
> just what V5 and (and now, V6) newbies needed.  Yes, I'm biased -- I worked
> with Sean in Chicago on the C/S-COM prototype that was _supposed_ to have
been
> released with V_5_.  Other sessions were good as well, and are sorely
missed.
>
> The membership requirements issue was _ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS_.  AS/UG wasn't
> affiliated with SSA in any way, form, or fashion -- so who _CARES_ where 
the
> checks come from as long as they don't bounce?  OK, maybe you wouldn't want
> reporters attending; however, a few consultants that didn't bother to
purchase
> AS/Set would enhance the group, IMO.  Speaking of which, _MY_ check from 
the
> Fall '95 conference is still outstanding -- what happened to the money????
>
> The forum was good, and I'd be more than willing to help get it moving 
again
> if anyone is interested...
>
> Regards!
>
> Dean Asmussen
> Enterprise Systems Consulting, Inc.
> Fuquay-Varina, NC  USA
> E-Mail:  DAsmussen@aol.com
>
> "If we fill our hours with regrets over yesterday, and with worries over
> tomorrow, we will have no time to be thankful for today." -- Anonymous



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