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Re: P7 8205 to P9 S914 or P9 S924 - P20 to P10 license transfer issue

Paul,

Prices have changed considerably since then but your experience helps make my point, do the math before agreeing to that drop, with a very firm understanding of the cost of going back if business is good enough to warrant it.

Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects



On Mar 31, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Steinmetz, Paul <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jim,

Back in 2005, we went from a 9406-830 (P30 Tier) to P5 9406-550 (P20 Tier).
My enterprise enablement for the P5 9406-550 was 7463 Enterprise Edition for #0915 $266,000.

Paul .

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Oberholtzer
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:43 PM
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Subject: Re: P7 8205 to P9 S914 or P9 S924 - P20 to P10 license transfer issue

If there is any chance, and I mean any chance you might wind up with P20 again, you'll be better off staying. To get from the P10 back to P20 you'll have to re-buy the enterprise entitlements and that's $50k right out of the chute. Unlimited users at P10 is not too bad in price but it will leave a mark.

Plus the S924 has more slots and that might avoid an expansion chassis.

Price carefully.

Fighting this whole scenario with a customer right now.

Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects



On Mar 30, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Steinmetz, Paul <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From the doc.
The 8205-E6C is in Group1.
The S914 is in Group6.
Group1 to Group6 transfer.

Now I need to get a price on users for the P10.
I should also see what the SWMA savings will be going from P20 to P10.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
DrFranken
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:06 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: P7 8205 to P9 S914 or P9 S924 - P20 to P10 license
transfer issue

I disagree despite the document appearing to agree with your statement.
I believe this is covered on page 5 under "To same or lower group."

The 740 (E6C) is a P20 tier machine. The S914 in this case will be a P10 machine. It has always been valid to downgrade to a lower P group. For this you pay $5,000 US per OS License.

There is a gotcha however. P20 and up machines with enterprise entitlement do not carry that down to the P10 tier machine. Thus you will have to acquire users. This is a one time charge though so it may still make sense to do this move.

As was mentioned previously you can lower your SWMA to the P10 tier if that works for you (that is you believe you'll never need to move back to P20) or you can keep SWMA at P20 meaning you could then move back to a P20 machine without the uptick charge.


- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis

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On 3/30/2018 7:03 PM, Steve Pavlichek wrote:
Your BP was correct, no OS entitlement transfers from 8205-E6C to S914.

Here's a link which contains the IBM I Processor and User Transfer Guide. This documents which donor and receiving systems are allowed.
http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=nas8N1022087


From: Diego Kesselman<mailto:diegokesselman@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:50 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical
Discussion<mailto:midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: P7 8205 to P9 S914 or P9 S924 - P20 to P10 license
transfer issue

No, ypu can transfer your licenses to an equal or lower SW Group. You
can even preserve the P20 SW group for future upgrades.

El vie., 30 de mar. de 2018 16:47, Steinmetz, Paul
<PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
escribió:

Initially I was looking at a P9 S914 to migrate to.
My BP was suggesting a P9 S924.

My current software tier is a P20, unlimited users.
The S914 is a P10, possibly user based.
BP is claiming the license transfers from a P7 8205-E6C P20 to a P9
S914
P10 could not be done.
This was his reasoning for the S924 instead, which is a P20.
Is this correct?

Thank You
_____
Paul Steinmetz
IBM i Systems Administrator

Pencor Services, Inc.
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Palmerton Pa 18071

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