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Rob, and others, thanks for the input. I still don't know whatwere
triggered the
original conversation that I was not included on. Seems like what we
doing was exactly what was needed. Makes me think that somebody justSave'
volunteered something and magic buttons got pushed.
John McKee
Quoting "Ketzes, Larry" <Larry.Ketzes@xxxxxxx>:
Rob,
I agree with all of your points, but if you go into the 'Go
andmenu, and take option 20, it will bring you to the Define save system
Commands'user data defaults screen. You can then change the 'Prompt for
saveparameter from a 'Y' to a 'N', and the backup will simply go from one
Americancommand to the next without prompting.
Larry
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John,
As you can see by the confusion of some people as to what is included
areSAVSYS, and,
by the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality of some people who
V6R1still using their pre IFS backup programs,
I can see why IBM encourages a GO SAVE option 21.
Biggest problems I have with GO SAVE 21 are:
- the lack of logging of times on each step (see earlier comments on
don't- STRSBS at the end. Most times I do an IPL afterwards and I sure
timewant to do that. Also, I almost never prompt for commands. What a
usewaster if you leave the room between steps.
Rob Berendt
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The Operations Manager had told me, in his words, that we needed to
was notGo SAVE
to continue to receive support. Exactly what was said, and why, I
thing, howincluded on that. My curiosity was definitely peaked. For one
Icould IBM determine that our backup was NOT performed via option 21?
wassuppose
that some object used date could be checked. But, as far as the
content of the
backup itself, it would seem to be the same no matter which method
butused. Which is why I am confused and asking what seemed a no-brainer
question.
John McKee
Quoting "Ingvaldson, Scott" <scott.ingvaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>:
used instead.I was told that IBM pretty much demanded that Go SAVE option 21 be
What? Who told you that? IBM might recommend the option 21 save
runthey would never "demand" it. Many, many installations cannot ever
aan option 21 save due to the needs of their business or application.
It would appear that you have all that you need for a full system
restore per "Are you saving the Right Stuff?"
http://wiki.midrange.com/index.php/Are_You_Saving_The_Right_Stuff%3F
I would expect that you could even run a native Option 21 restore on
trulytape created with this backup, assuming "appropriate options" are
been aused. You *might* need to specify Prompt for commands: YES, it's
restorewhile since I've tested this. As with any and all backup and
withprocedures this should be tested and documented.
If you want to analyze the IBM full system backup do RTVCLSRC
PGM(QMNSAVE)
Regards,
Scott Ingvaldson
Senior IBM Support Specialist
Fiserv Midwest
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From: John McKee [mailto:jmmckee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:01 AM
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Subject: Backup question
Our software package is provided by HBOC. They have a number of
commands that are based on IBM commands, with subtle changes. They
differentiate them by prefacing their versions with a 'B'.
Using their commands, a full save of the system was accomplished
userBBACKUP.
This command brings up a number of options. Ultimately, a set of
useddefined commands is run. In our case, the commands were: SAVSYS,
SAVLIB, SAVDLO, and SAV, with appropriate options.
I was told that IBM pretty much demanded that Go SAVE option 21 be
differentinstead.
According to the command help, the only commands that appear
processare that the controlling subsystem is ended and restarted. That
mailingwas performed by operators when BBACKUP command was used.
Is there something else that is going on that is different from the
scripted backup? One reason to ask is that the BBACKUP command logs
start and stop time of each step - which is sometimes an issue.
Thanks,
John McKee
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