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i would strongly disagree. we had to invent the technology to be clean...
that technology exists now, and its just a matter of enacting & enforcing laws. our own companies would still be dirty if the criminal penalties did not exist. In China a year ago, a major chemical spill took many lives. China imprisoned and (i think) executed some who were responsible. It takes that to get compliance.

According to your arguement - we should look the other way as other countries
enact slavery as a way of "catching up".
jim
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Payne" <CPayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: [CPF0000] The globalization of COMMON,or is this the right direction?


You have to remember though that when we had our industrial revolution
none of that stuff was in place, we had an ugly time of it with deaths,
pollution and all sorts of nasty side effects, but the gains to society
were so large we were willing to accept the cost. Once we had an
industrial society we had so much more wealth that we could turn our
attention to things like the environment and workplace safety. By
insisting that other nations must have these things in place before they
have the wealth of being an industrial society, we are putting them in a
catch 22.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry Adams
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:30 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: [CPF0000] The globalization of COMMON,or is this the right
direction?

Trevor Perry wrote:

Paul,

It is so simple, it is obvious.



I agree, Trevor.


The problem, though, (as Joe pointed out verbosely) is parity and
equity.  If the rules (such as EPA, OSHA, etc.) were at least close
globally, this discussion would not be taking place.  The imbalance is
like mixing a glass of ice-water and a glass of hot water: the
temperature settles to a "happy" medium.  As Joe tried to illustrate,
this is simple leveling.


Companies do not outsource for any altruistic reasons; it is purely an
economic decision (as Paul pointed out).  If there were equity across
borders, why would one bother relocating a plant or a function?  It is
not a matter (always) of upgrading skill sets; when the skill sets are
very identical, this admonition fails of its own weight.  If it were a
matter of one, for example, refusing to give up good ol' RPG II and
learn RPG IV, you might be on to something, but it's not.


I'm not a protectionist at heart nor, do I think, xenophobic.  But I do
have a strong sense of fair play.  My grandfather's fault, I suppose.


However, parity has never existed and never will.  In fact, since you're

suggesting reading, may I reciprocate?  Alvin Toffler in "The Third
Wave" pretty much predicted all of this: globalization, the simultaneous

breakdown of some national units (USSR -> Russia, etc., as well as the
decentralization of the USA), as well as the centralization of
corporations.  It was pretty scary (to me) when I read it in the 80's.



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