RE: The IBM iSeries word from FOSE... -- MIDRANGE-L


I'd be concerned that at this point the decision has already been made by
the forces du jour and resistance is futile...  I've seen it too many
times.

Make sure you protect your own personal cash flow dude...it's not easy
finding an AS400 job anymore...



On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, boyd bill wrote:

> Oh, trust me, I'm not going down without a fight. I simply said "sure, intel
> may be cheaper, but what's the cost of downtime?"
>
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> From: Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:23 AM
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> Subject: RE: The IBM iSeries word from FOSE...
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> Huh, Oracle and cheaper actually used in the same sentence.  :-)
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> Seriously folks, while it may not be your responsibility I'd always
> recommend passing your concerns on to IBM.  I vaguely remember a discussion
> somewhere about IBM creating resources for threatened customers (white
> papers, sales support, etc.).  I think if the situation is presented to the
> right people at IBM and your company is willing to listen, they will defend
> the platform veraciously.
>
> So far I have found Peter Bingaman, Mark Shearer, Bob McCormick, Malcolm
> Haines, etc. to be very approachable.  Of course if your management is not
> willing to listen or to try you may not have much of an option.  If they
> are of an open mind, you have a chance......I'd recommend trying.  Tell
> them your story and ask for help......
>
> With the i5's, hardware maintenance, software maintenance, and support
> personnel costs analyzed I think that you will find the iSeries to not
> always be more expensive.  In fact I think it would tend to be on the
> cheaper side....of course mileage will vary and not every situation is the
> same.....
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> Michael Crump
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> I was just told in a meeting last week that we have to move off of the
> AS/400 and to something cheaper and that will support Oracle starting next
> year. While I doubt it will actually happen next year since we always seem
> to be behind, it does seem inevitable that our iseries days are numbered at
> my shop.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don [mailto:dr2@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:40 AM
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> Subject: The IBM iSeries word from FOSE...
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> Here in DC, we have an annual BIG expo of techno vendors, wares, etc.
> It's kinda like the governments COMDEX if you will, it's just better run
> and attended than COMDEX.
>
> Dell had a BIG booth and well staffed.
>
> HP had a BIG booth and well staffed...
>
> Apple had a BIG booth and well staffed...
>
> ...as did alot of the major vendors....and these booths were BUSY.
>
> IBM's booth, when I finally found it, was one guy sitting on a corner
> postage stamp size of space with a little sign attached to a xSeries
> cluster server saying "Linux DB2".  When I poped by to see what was going
> on, he was complaining that his blade server had been stolen the night
> before.  When I asked him about ANY ANY ANY iSeries representation at the
> conference, I was told there wasn't any and further"...I don't do
> AS/400..."   Frankly, it was safer for me to just walk away.
>
> SO, is it any wonder that people here don't think of iSeries as
> contemporary technology?  Is it any wonder that people here are very eager
> to buy Dell and HP Servers?
>
> Has ANYONE in Somers reviewed the current sales/marketing model (beyond
> radio/TV/Print spots) and seen where it REALLY NEEDS to be improved?
>
> No, you may not book alot of sales at a FOSE type event, BUT you do
> get/keep market recognition...something that OS/400 has very little of
> anymore.
>
> Is it really any wonder why in our User Group meeting this week I was once
> again deluged by people lamenting how hard it is to find work on a
> AS400/iSeries/i5/(insert name here) ???
>
> I don't give a damn if you call me a cormudgeon or not!  I'm in the
> trenches here and I'm getting lots of calls for help from folks that are
> seriousely looking for work....and there's REAL REASONS why there is
> none...  Starting with "...I don't do AS/400...."  and the current sales
> models.
>
> Don in DC
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