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Mark since I think for the most part you and I are in "violent agreement" I'll just comment on a couple of points: >> I think you could come to accept that is just a matter of learning the environment. No argument. But most of the docs are on the system are written to a specific assumption of knowledge. The Unixese flavor of some of this new stuff is just plain confusing. You allude to this in your own remarks about Apache. The point I'm trying to make is that I can debug an RPG CGIDEV2 app with my RPG skills. You pointed out originally that one doesn't really have to know much Java/J2EE to make WAS work for you. My comment was that that is only true when things are working. >> but I do not really recall them bashing CGI Well I don't know who you have listened to - but both Phil and George (who has now seen the light) used to do this regularly and they were among the more RPG friendly of the IBM disciples out there. Every customer I talk to has been told by IBM at some point that "CGI won't scale - it is a dead end - don't go there". I know of one BP who is in difficulty because he believed them and didn't attempt a CGI solution (which could have reused 90% of his code) and instead opted to move to a JSP/J2EE environment. >> I think you have exaggerated this slightly. Either that you just are not that experienced with it in real usage. I'll accept that my production experience is 2 years out-of-date. You are certainly also correct in stating that the worst part is when you are getting started. That's part of the problem. My point is that IBM have convinced many people not to even try CGI (JSP/J2EE is just another form of CGI but we'll ignore that). If they then try WAS (or look up the documentation for WAS hardware requirements) they quickly tend to give up - and move that part of their future app development to another platform. Badmouthing _anything_ that might get the average iSeries shop of its a@@ was just plain stupid in my mind. IBM seem to have woken up at last - but it is too late for many shops. Jon Paris Partner400 www.Partner400.com www.RPGWorld.com
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