But then you have the schools loaded up with obsolete hardware and software.
All of the sexy new features cannot be taught, since the old system cannot
support the compute intensive workloads.  "Sorry kid, the AS400 is too slow
to run that JAVA app... Try running it on this linux server over here."
Kinda just cements the idea that this platform cannot compete with the
alternatives, even though the modern hardware could easily accomodate these

Personally, I think IBM should host the servers for the schools.  The school
gets charged a reasonable rate to access the hosts, and they are not stuck
paying support for obsolete systems.  Perhaps this could be a testbed for
IBM's "utility computing" grid....

Eric DeLong
Sally Beauty Company
MIS-Project Manager (BSG)
940-297-2863 or ext. 1863

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Derham [mailto:derhamj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:02 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Sound familiar?

A wild thought has just occurred to me. It's a known fact that AS400's last
for ever so why don't IBM and the Business Partners set up a program were
old equipment is refurbished and give to schools gratis. They could also
give them older versions of the software. No immediate profit but it would
be a very cheap way get into the younger generations mind and would probably
also be set up to provide a very nice tax write off.

Jack Derham
Direct Systems, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of GKern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:45 AM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Sound familiar?

Good point Rob.

I just found it ironic that the comments about the MS marketing machine 
are the same ones made when pleading the iSeries case to IBM usually at 
the Common soundoff sessions. The fact that MS gets their fingers in 
everything. And that Apple used schools to introduce their technology. (I 
know IBM has been resurrecting their presence in schools as of late.) 

I remember the slogan that was going around Common many moons ago - "It's 
The Marketing". In that regard I thought the writer was making the same 
point about IBM and their marketing - be it for Notes or iSeries.

Regards, Jerry

Gerald Kern
IBM Certified AS/400 RPG IV Developer & RPG IV Programmer
MIS Project Leader, Lotus Notes/Domino Administrator
The Toledo Clinic, Inc.
4235 Secor Road
Toledo, OH 43623-4299
Phone 419-479-5535

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