OK, I'm not a statistics company, nor am I Microsoft, so I'm not going to
defend each and every number. I think everyone can agree, any machine can
crash and any machine can be up for years, any machine can support "a lot"
of users and any machine can be poorly designed or managed, preventing it
from supporting "a lot" of users. 

As for "taking the Belt", what would you require to take the belt? The only
published numbers I'm aware of are the TPC-C and -W numbers, and Windows
looks good there.

Oh, and the Order detail table had 17,279,759,341 rows (17 Billion) with a
row size of 54 bytes, or a table size of 933,107,004,414 (933TB) for that
table alone. No, the 58TB is _not_ offline storage, it's database storage.


Walden H Leverich III
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Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Pluta [mailto:joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:51 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: RE: subject: iSeries Legends

> From: Walden H. Leverich III
> True, but many do. Take a look at Oliver's post, his experiences, while
> perhaps not typical, aren't unheard of.

Walden, you can whittle all you want, but those sorts of stories are heard
far more often on Windows than iSeries (or even Unix).  Until you bring real
numbers to the list, it's just another of Walden's Anecdotes.  See, the
iSeries has the belt.  In order for you to win, you have to TAKE the belt,
and that means providing real numbers, not anecdotal evidence.

> A lot more that three, however they are not that expensive. How
> much do you
> think an iSeries w/512GGB of memory and 58 Terabyes of storage
> would cost --
> if you could get one. And what level of support would you expect
> to have for
> it? 0.5FTE? I don't think so.

More noncontextual numbers.  Can you have one file across those 58
terabytes, Walden?  If not, then it's just a big offline storage system and
not really part of the operating system, and IBM has those measuring in

On the other hand, I know for a fact you can have files of multiple
gigabytes on the iSeries, and up to 144GB on one machine.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

> ities of MS's desktop
> OS's (95, 98, ME, W2KWorkstation, XP) with their server OS's
> (W2KServer and
> W2K3). Windows 2003 and Windows XP have as much in common as
> OS/400 V5R2 and
> CPF R7 -- are they similar, sure. Are they comperable, no!

I love this argument.  "Trust me, it's not the same as the crap we USED to
put out!"  That's heartening!

Again, we can go round and round, but since YOU'RE the one playing catch up,
YOU'RE the one who has to supply the proof, Walden.  Sorry, but them's the


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