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This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I agree that the command line interface is nice for some features like stopping or starting programmatically, or configuring. I still have programs that we would restore from tape and run to configure a new 400. However, there are numerous people who spend time writing programs to do what op's nav does. And they do it with subfiles and/or panels which is definitely a presentation issue. Rob Berendt -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin Evan Harris <spanner@ihug.co.nz> Sent by: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com 04/12/2002 03:06 PM Please respond to midrange-l To: midrange-l@midrange.com cc: Fax to: Subject: RE: Cheaper Servers? Rob <SNIP> >How many people here are crying for this directly attached graphical >option, yet every time IBM comes out with a graphical solution they start >to delve into the api's to determine how to convert it into a 5250 data >stream? > >Rob Berendt </SNIP> With all due respect this is not necessarily an entirely fair statement. The usual complaint is that there is no command line equivalent which has nothing to do with presentation issues. In my view this is a stupid design decision as it ignores the fact that servers need to be stopped and restarted automatically while the system is unattended, and that bulk operations need to be performed programmatically. Providing only a graphical interface means that each shop now has to come up with a programming resource to automate operations from the scheduler. Or just not do this stuff. Or have someone on site to do it. I'm sure you get my point. Long term this will defeat or at the very least reduce the only iSeries advantage IBM still seem willing to talk about or market: TCO. People have also complained about having to run the graphical client on Windows and having no other choice. My personal experience is that when running Ops Nav and it stops (I admit it rarely crashes, it just stops responding) I have no way of knowing whether it is the OS (Windows 2000 Pro) or Ops Navigator. History tells me it is easier to reboot than figure out why. As to the rest of this thread I simply want a reasonably priced console I can rely on: Ops Nav does not qualify. As Syd pointed out there is nothing worse than doing an install - except perhaps as in our case a recovery - to have the PC go belly up and cause problems. A cheap dependable console is what is required however it is achieved. Regards Evan Harris _______________________________________________ This is the Midrange Systems Technical Discussion (MIDRANGE-L) mailing list To post a message email: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/midrange-l or email: MIDRANGE-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l.
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