RE: Growing your own programmers -- MIDRANGE-L

Thank you!  I was starting to feel greedy.  I actually stayed with my
company for 5 years after they trained me before moving on for a raise.  In
the meantime the company had the benefit of a programmer who actually
understood the business.

Loyalty is great but on the reverse, a company's loyalty to its employees
only lasts as long as its profits.  Bottom line:  You've got to watch out
for yourself.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Bipes [mailto:ChrisB@cross-check.com]
Sent: June 21, 1999 10:50 AM
To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: Growing your own programmers


I agree that a lot of home grown programmers tend to leave because they make
less.  Well they should not make less.  They should be given a raise to the
market level.  Remember that an experienced programmer still needs to be
trained on YOUR CUSTOM systems as well as YOUR business rules, practices,
management style....  It still takes 3-6 month for an experienced programmer
to become productive and years to become an ASSET.  There is a lot more to
consider!  Companies need to have their eyes opened to the value of the
employees in technical positions.  Hey I had to give notice to get my big
raise, to market value.


Christopher K. Bipes            mailto:ChrisB@Cross-Check.com
Sr. Programmer/Analyst          mailto:Chris_Bipes@Yahoo.com
CrossCheck, Inc.                http://www.cross-check.com
6119 State Farm Drive           Phone: 707 586-0551 x 1102
Rohnert Park  CA  94928         Fax: 707 586-1884



-----Original Message-----
From: nina jones [mailto:ddi@datadesigninc.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 1999 7:50 AM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Growing your own programmers


> I finally left because like most home-grown programmers, once you get the
> skills, the company fails to adjust your compensation accordingly.  So
> that's definitely something else to keep in mind.

that brought back memories.  i worked for a bank in 1971 that got a
system 3, and i got trained because i did well on the aptitude test.  

6 months later i was complaining because i wasn't being paid what the
want ads were saying programmers were worth.  somehow in my 19 year old
maturity, i missed out on the fact that the bank paid for the training,
and my salary while i was training, and my time to futz around when i
didn't know what i was doing.  and there was a lot of that.

so we moved to oklahoma city, where i took a job that paid twice what i
was making.  
about ten years ago, we took a green wanna be just out of college grad
and trained him on the as/400.  about a year later, he found out that he
was making less that a lady we hired after him.  never mind she had 15
years of experience.  he complained so much that she ended up quitting.  

so what's the solution?  i'm not sure there is one!  companies feel
burned because they pay for training, and have a right to expect a
return.  employees are upset because they are getting paid less than
market and go elsewhere.  maybe home growing has cut back because it's
cheaper to hire someone else's home grown product!

nj
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