RE: Certification -- MIDRANGE-L

Sorry I must reply on this,


--SoapBoxMode--
Some analogies should never be uttered, this is one of them... When
was the last time you observed an 8080 list program responsible for
the life or death of someone? Probably never! So the doctor analogy is
useless in this context,
as most analogies that attempt to support some current view are.
--EndSoapBox--

That out of the way, I agree that there are some very useful reasons
to obtain certification, and I believe that it is most useful for
those individuals just entering the job market, you know them, they
are the ones in catch22 no experience and hence no job offer by which
to achieve experience! For most of us who have been in the business
since punchcards were a glimmer in Preston Eckerts mind, it makes NO
sense.

Quite honestly, I resent the view that a great number of folks seem to
hold, "IF you do not have a Cert, you are of no value" . Just forget
all of the priceless experience that seasoned IS people have in favor
of a piece of paper! 
Harrrrumph!!!!

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Howard Weatherly

hweatherly@dlis.dla.mil
howard.weatherly@ctg.com
hweath@ibm.net

X4324

 <<Certification>>

Subject: Certification
From: money@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:45:34 -0400



Now you are on the track for one of the primary reasons for
certification.

Some interesting questions are
     How may customers ask your FIRM if you  are certified before you
are
hired?
     (Granted there were paper CNEs, but customers still wanted a CNE
to do
the work)
     How many ways will and does IBM ask you if you are certified
before
you can participate in a program?
     Will IBM require Global Services to hold certifications?
     Will certification affect retention/salary?
Back to the thread of conversation
     What weight does a certification hold when you hire someone?

A certification is a tool, not a perfect tool.  A good certification
says
that someone has some knowledge, skills, and  experience according to
an
objective set of criteria established by a third party.  Because I
passed a
certification exam doesn't mean "Hire me";  it means I have some of
the
tools and even know how to us some of them.

Finally

When was the last time you went to a Doctor that wasn't licesned to
practice or a lawyer who hadn't passed the bar.





uucp@UUCP1.MCS.NET on 09/23/98 05:16:42 PM

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Frankly,

I'ld rather see them Certify that their "business partner's" software
ACTUALLY WORKS!  ...THAT's the kinda certification that would make the
most use to me!

Don in DC


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