Re: Consult400 Digest, Vol 4, Issue 19

> > John Earl wrote:
> > ...
> >> I'm not making a value judgment on whether this is good
> or bad, I'm just
> >> stating that it is what it is.  If your current salary
> is $75K and you
> >> want to sustain it, ask yourself what are you doing
> that couldn't be
> >> replicated by 3 off-shore workers that are happy to
> work for $25K?
> >>
> >> Answer that question successfully (and lot's of people
> do), and you
> >> won't need any government to "protect" your job.
> 
> I'm not trying to start an argument here, John, BUT:
> How many jobs have YOU offshored?
> I'm guessing NONE, since you probably place a high value
> on your
> intellectual property...


All of our code is written in our U.S. locations.  I am not
philosophically opposed to off-shoring, it just hasn't made sense for us
to do it.

<6 hour pause> 

Interestingly enough - I just sat through an executive roundtable where
several people testified to the difficulties of outsourcing - this from
executives of companies that actually tried it.  The consistent report
is that for projects requiring less than 10-15 dedicated people, it is
very hard to manage and cost justify.

The consensus is that it is expensive, troublesome, and the cost trade
offs are not one-to-one.  One fellow said that their model works, but
that they expect to achieve about 70% of the productivity, and have to
add in the cost of project management both locally and remotely, plus
communications, travel, time synch issues, etc.  

It can be done effectively, but I think lots of folks are not realizing
the savings.  If the roundtable is right, the pendulum will swing back.

jte


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: consult400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:consult400-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Landess
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:53 AM
> To: consult400@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Consult400] Consult400 Digest, Vol 4, Issue
> 19
> 
> See questions in-line...
> 
> Regards,
> Steve Landess
> Austin, Texas
> 
> --------------------
> 
> > Rob Berendt wrote:
> > message: 7
> > date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:41:59 -0500
> > from: rob@xxxxxxxxx
> > subject: Re: [Consult400] Hi
> >
> > Easy buddy or I'll release Steve on you.  :-)
> >
> > Rob Berendt
> 
> So how many programmer/technical jobs has Dekko offshored,
> Rob?
> 
> 
> 
> > fbocch2595@xxxxxxx  wrote:
> > Consulting on the iSeries / AS400
> <consult400@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Is it a true statement that if salary and/or expenses
> have to be cut then
> > how better to do that then with replacing experienced
> and more expensive
> > citizens with less expensive, not experienced aliens?
> >
> > My last company laid of 9 programmers w/average tenure
> of 10 years, in
> > favor of over seas folks...and we made $ last year.
> 
> fbocch:
> You indicate your "last" company...
> I guess that means that YOU were one of the overpriced
> citizens that was
> laid off?
> 
> 
> > John Earl wrote:
> > ...
> >> I'm not making a value judgment on whether this is good
> or bad, I'm just
> >> stating that it is what it is.  If your current salary
> is $75K and you
> >> want to sustain it, ask yourself what are you doing
> that couldn't be
> >> replicated by 3 off-shore workers that are happy to
> work for $25K?
> >>
> >> Answer that question successfully (and lot's of people
> do), and you
> >> won't need any government to "protect" your job.
> 
> I'm not trying to start an argument here, John, BUT:
> How many jobs have YOU offshored?
> I'm guessing NONE, since you probably place a high value
> on your
> intellectual property...
> 
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