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Good, just be sure they are not added to the ASP yet. I think your
procedure listed below does it correctly.

--
Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steinmetz, Paul
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 3:39 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Removing disk units that have device parity protection from a
disk pool without mirrored protection

Roberto,

For both parity sets, these will NOT be started during DST, but from SST
while I'm running normally.
Reason for this is minimize down time.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Roberto José Etcheverry Romero
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 4:31 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Removing disk units that have device parity protection from a
disk pool without mirrored protection

A quick heads up. When you add to ASP and start RAID on the same DST
session, the times are not the times for each run, since it initializes the
disks only once. If for example you start RAID first, you'll see a
"Preparing to start RAID" which is in fact the initialization, but if you
previously added it to the ASP that step is skipped. The same happens if you
start raid first, when the time comes to add to ASP it takes very little
time...

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Steinmetz, Paul <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Jim,

I've finished the checklist for the 177 SSD to 775 SSD, including load
source.
Raid 5 parity will never be stopped in this scenario, so should be
safer then my older plan which included stopping or Raid.
I'm looking at a 2 hour down window, in addition to save window, maybe
less, all depends on option 9. Copy disk unit data
2 Power downs.

Identify current load source
SST, 1. Start a service tool, 7. Hardware service manager, 2. Logical
hardware resources (buses, IOPs, controllers,...) 1. System bus
resources 9=Resources associated with IOP beside IOP with *,
Disk Unit * 58B4-109 Operational DMP001
Load source is resource DMP01

SST 2. Work with disk configuration, 1. Display disk configuration, 5.
Display device parity status
Print this screen,
Confirm Load Source is DMP001, unit 1, parity set 2

Display Device Parity Status

Parity Resource Hot Spare
Set ASP Unit Type Model Name Status Protection
1 57B5 001 DC11 RAID 5 N
1 15 58B4 109 DMP029 Active
1 14 58B4 109 DMP027 Active
1 16 58B4 109 DMP031 Active
1 12 58B4 109 DMP023 Active
1 11 58B4 109 DMP019 Active
1 18 58B4 109 DMP033 Active
1 10 58B4 109 DMP021 Active
1 13 58B4 109 DMP025 Active
1 17 58B4 109 DMP035 Active
2 57B5 001 DC11 RAID 5 N
1 1 58B4 109 DMP001 Active
1 4 58B4 109 DMP007 Active
1 2 58B4 109 DMP003 Active
1 3 58B4 109 DMP005 Active
1 6 58B4 109 DMP009 Active
1 8 58B4 109 DMP017 Active
1 7 58B4 109 DMP013 Active
1 9 58B4 109 DMP015 Active
1 5 58B4 109 DMP011 Active

GO SAVE 21.

SST 1. Start a service tool, 7. Hardware service manager 8. Device
Concurrent Maintenance 2=Install device Attach six new 775 Gb SSD
drives in the EXP24 drawer, units 19 thru 24

SST 3. Start device parity protection - RAID 5 six new 775 Gb drives,
record time.

SST 2. Add units to ASPs record time - six new 775, record time

STRASPBAL TYPE(*ENDALC) UNIT(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18) on 18 of the 177 Gb drives, (This will stop any new data from
going to units 1-18)

CHKASPBAL

STRASPBAL TYPE(*MOVDTA) TIMLMT(*NOMAX) PRIORITY(*MEDIUM) on the 18 177
Gb drives that are *ENDALC.(This will move data from Unit 1-18 current
177 to Units 19 thru 24 new 775., record time

12. Work with removing units from configuration, units 2 thru 18.

Logical remove at SST of 17 *ENDALC / *MOVDTA drives, so that their
data goes to the five new 775 Gb drives.
If necessary, we can run the logical remove at DST on a manual IPL.
The option to remove at SST is available.

Power down the partition, restart *NO

Physically remove 9 177 Gb non-cfg drives from non-load source parity
set 1, units 10 thru 18 Physically add seven new 775 Gb SSD drives in
the EXP24 drawer, units 10 thru 16

From HMC, manual IPL to DST
I'm not sure if this IPL will force us to do something with the disks
added. Hope we can defer this till IPL completed.
Please confirm this, very important.

2. Work with disk unit recovery 9. Copy disk unit data From the
original load source, unit 1, to the one remaining non-cfg 775 Gb
drive, unit 24., record time

Power down, physically remove the 9 177 Gb non-cfg drives, units 1
thru 9 including old load source.

Tag the new load source, if on a different IOA.

B IPL on the new load source
I'm not sure if this IPL will force us to do something with the final
disks added. Hope we can defer this till IPL completed.
Please confirm this, very important.

SST 8. Work with device parity protection 5. Start device parity
protection - RAID 5 with hot spare, record time

six new 775 Gb drives, record time.

SST 3. Work with disk units 2. Work with disk configuration 2. Add
units to ASPs, record time

STRASPBAL TYPE(*CAPACITY) TIMLMT(*NOMAX) PRIORITY(*MEDIUM) , record time.
1. Capacity balancing - The data on all the units within the ASP
will be balanced so each unit has an equal percentage of used
and unused space. This is useful when new units are added to
an ASP. Instead of having several units with the majority of
the data and several new ones with no data, the user can
spread the data evenly across all the units.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jim Oberholtzer
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 12:59 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Removing disk units that have device parity protection
from a disk pool without mirrored protection

Paul,

At V7Rx that hasn't been true for some time. It might have been
introduced in a TR but that would have been very early, certainly by TR3.
I'm not in a position to find a document now but I've done it as
recently as last week.

The physical removal is a bit more complex since you have to follow
the remove FRU procedure, but still very doable.

I have a test system I could remove a drive from live if you want to
do a GoToMeeting to watch the procedure.

--
Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steinmetz, Paul
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:23 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Removing disk units that have device parity protection
from a disk pool without mirrored protection

Jim,

Can you point me to the doc or link for this process.
The current V7R1 doc that I listed below still states that you must
IPL to DST to remove a drive or drives.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
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Jim Oberholtzer
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:27 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: Removing disk units that have device parity protection
from a disk pool without mirrored protection

Paul,

If you are at V7R1 you don't need to power down to remove the drives
from the configuration. You can do it while the system is running.
As to physically removing them, if you are taking the entire RAID set
anyway, don't bother with stopping it. Let whoever gets those drives
on the used market deal with it. They have to anyway to prepare them for
resale.
Remember there's no data on them at this point. You could use the SST
function to physically remove them while the system is running if
downtime is a scarce commodity.

Also, unless you have very heavy I/O most of the time, don't be afraid
to end allocation and then drain the drives during the day. The
process runs in the background and is very rarely disruptive.

Otherwise your procedure looks good to me.

--
Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Steinmetz, Paul
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:59 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: Removing disk units that have device parity protection from a
disk pool without mirrored protection


I'm looking for the latest doc - Removing disk units that have device
parity protection from a disk pool without mirrored protection From
the IBM Knowledge Center, IBM i: Systems management Disk management, I
found this table/checklist.

I want to confirm that this is current, and this process STILL cannot
be done concurrently (Requires IPL to DST) My additional notes below
is to minimize the down window (4 - Remove unit from configuration)
after IPL to DST.

Task What to do Where to learn more
1.___ Display your current disk configuration. "Evaluating the current
configuration" on page 6 2.___ Calculate the space requirements for
the disk pools that are involved in disk removal.
"Calculating disk space requirements" on page 8 3.___ Use option 21
from the Save menu to save your entire system.
Save your system with the GO SAVE command 4.___ Restart your system
and select the option to use dedicated service tools (DST).
"How to Start Dedicated Service Tools (DST)" in Backup and Recovery.
From the taskpad in System i Navigator, select OpenSystem i Navigator
Service Tools.
5.___ Remove disk units that you plan to remove from the system.
"Removing a disk unit from a disk pool" on page
101
6.___ Exclude the disk units from device parity protection. If you
were successful in excluding the disk units, skip to task 8.
Otherwise, continue to task 7.
"Excluding disk units from a parity set" on page
25
7.___ Stop device parity protection for all the disk units in the
Input/Output Processor (IOP).
"Stopping device parity protection" on page 24 8.___ Physically remove
disk units. If you stopped device parity protection in task 7,
continue with task 9. If you did not stop device parity protection, skip
to task 10.
"Removing a disk unit from a disk pool" on page
101
9.___ Start device parity protection again. "Starting device parity
protection" on page 22 10.___ Verify that your disk unit configuration
is correct. "Evaluating the current configuration" on page 6 11.___
Print your disk configuration to have available in case a recovery
situation occurs.
"Printing your disk configuration" on page 7 12.___ Restart your system.


Disk removal
Removing disks require shutting down system, steps 1 thru 3 can be
done ahead to minimize down time, steps 4 on require down time.
(Checklist 9 - Backup and Recovery)
1) STRASPBAL TYPE(*ENDALC) UNIT(10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18) - This
marks the disks for those you want to remove
2) CHKASPBAL
Unit 10 is selected for end allocation.
Unit 11 is selected for end allocation.
Unit 12 is selected for end allocation.
Unit 13 is selected for end allocation.
Unit 14 is selected for end allocation.
Unit 15 is selected for end allocation.
Unit 16 is selected for end allocation.
Unit 17 is selected for end allocation.
Unit 18 is selected for end allocation.
3) STRASPBAL TYPE(*MOVDTA) TIMLMT(*NOMAX) - This will run for 3 to 6
hours
- suggest running at night.
4) PWRDWNSYS with restart (*NO) 5 - minutes
5) IPL using manual mode to DST 5 - minutes
6) Signon to DST
7) Logically remove from the ASP -
option 4 - (work with disk units)
option 1 - (work with disk configuration) option 3 - (work with ASP
configuration)
4 - Remove unit from configuration - If step 3 above already moved
majority of data, time should be minimal, 10 minutes for all disks.
8) Stop device parity protection for IOA - 3 minutes
9) Power down system
10) From HMC, power off frame that includes the disks
11) Physically remove disks from the system

Thank You
_____
Paul Steinmetz
IBM i Systems Administrator

Pencor Services, Inc.
462 Delaware Ave
Palmerton Pa 18071

610-826-9117 work
610-826-9188 fax
610-349-0913 cell
610-377-6012 home

psteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx
http://www.pencor.com/


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