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Jeff,

Scott is now a part of Profoundlogic and has to speak their language


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

Yes, he is an active participant. He made 2 well thought out posts that
everyone was able to read.

You gave me the impression that you could not see them by posting this:

"Nice to know that Scott obviously sends out filtered mails that he dosn't
want other to respond to"

which made no sense to me. Filtered? How could he post to the list such
that only some could see it?

Since this is essentially off-topic, I'll stop here since I am evidently
flummoxed by your post.



On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jeff,

do you se Scott as an active part of this current discussion, in my view
he
just made a statement
two days ago - that is my point


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:

Henrik,

What point are you trying to make? You obviously feel jilted in some
way,
unless I'm completely not understanding what you're driving at.


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Michael,

yes - two days ago ;-)


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Michael Ryan <michaelrtr@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

BS. Scott responded in this thread twice in a row. I'm able to read
them.


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Nice to know that Scott obviously sends out filtered mails that
he
dosn't
want other to respond to


On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Jim Cooper <
Jim.Cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:

Another well put Scott.


Jim Cooper
Program Coordinator
Lambton College
jim.cooper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
519-542-7751 ext. 3219


________________________________________
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
]
on
behalf
of Scott Klement [web400@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 2:50 AM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] Web Enabling Applications

Todd,

What I've discovered is that RPG is simply a better language
for
writing
business rules and business logic than the others.

I agree with your assessment that it's often hard to find
qualified
RPG
developers. That's not to say that it's hard to find RPG
developers
--
but rather than most RPG developers on the job market have
out-of-date
skills, so are not "qualified." The reasons for this vary, but
it's
mostly because too many businesses have this idea that RPG and
IBM
i
are
not capable (Which is completely untrue) and therefore delegate
modern
tasks to other platforms. This becomes self-fulfilling,
because
the
RPGers don't get real life work experience with modern work.

To combat that, you have to start somewhere... and one
approach
that
has worked well for several shops that I've talked to is to
hire
PHP
or
C programmers, and then TEACH them RPG. Many of them, once
they
get
past the learning curve, are REALLY impressed by the RPG and
IBM
i
environment. The integrated platform with integrated database
is a
positive boon for them. Being able to write business logic and
database
logic in RPG is something they enjoy, because it makes their
job
easier
than attempting the same thing in languages like PHP or C.
(Especially
C!)

And they bring a fresh viewpoint to old shops, and their
experience
with
modern development techniques comes along with them -- and the
results
are great.

So please don't be dismayed when you can't find RPG
programmers...
just
hire a PHP or C programmer, and teach them. I think you'll be
pleased
with that.

However -- and this is a mistake I've seen too many times --
don't
try
to thrust them into old-fashioned ways of doing things, that
will
turn
them off. Give them Rational Developer, not SEU/PDM. Have
them
learn
and write apps in Free format code, with subprocedures and
other
modular
techniques, and SQL for file access. Don't start them off with
legacy
stuff, or it will discourage them. (Though, probably down the
road,
they'll have to learn the legacy stuff to maintain older
applications
--
but don't start them there, or they'll get turned off of the
platform.)

-SK


On 12/7/2012 1:06 PM, Allen, Todd wrote:

I may be in the minority here but I'd shy away from using
CGIDEV2
for
any sort of web development. I say minority on this list
only.
The
percentage of all web developers that have used or heard of
CGIDEV2
is probably less than .001%. We've found that RPG developers
are
hard to find. RPG developers that have web experience are
even
harder to find. If JSON is a requirement then I'd also be
concerned
about processing JSON data with RPG. There are plenty of
libraries
out there for JSON processing but I don't know if you'll find
one
for
RPG.


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