Re: What's the latest thinking of the best two or threewebdevelopment languages/environ...

I like a lot of the features in JSF and I dislike a lot of the features in
JSF.

The thing that I really enjoy is the seamless nature of mapping screen
variables back to the controller, and mapping events from the page back to
Java methods - very easy.

The things I learned to dislike are when I needed to step slightly out of
the box that JSF created. For example, I dislike the limitations of not
being able to embed other HTML without tags like <dataTable> without using
the <verbatim> tag. I also grew tired of having to update the
faces-config.xml file with any and all navigation and/or controller/bean
definition. Another is the inability (at least they don't recommend it) of
including JSP tags beside the JSF tags. This wouldn't be an issue if the
JSF tags covered everything the JSP tags had. At the time I couldn't find a
simple <jsp:if> tag in the JSF spec and that made things real fun for
business logic from controller to screen.

Could you list some of your likes and dislikes of JSF and maybe I can be
swayed back into the fold, and maybe it will also give Dave some good food
for thought.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen <
thunderaxiom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Aaron Bartell skrev den 07-08-2008 13:54:

I have had conversations with Don Denoncourt in the past couple weeks
and he
has done a variety of java frameworks including JSF, and he has now

chosen

Groovy/Grails as his direction (Java based more or less) because of it's
productivity gains. That would probably be my next stop personally.

There was a steep incline on the learning curve with JSF, but the view
from the top is fantastic :)

I agree it is not a beginners framework, but I have this nagging feeling
in the back of my mind that the fact that there is a Sun specification
is impediment to the "long term maintenance" side of it. In other
words, the chance that it will exist and people know about it is much
bigger.

I'd love to see an article by either you or Don, to make me change my
mind.

--
Thorbjørn Ravn Andersen "... plus... Tubular Bells!"

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