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Re: ASP.NET and the iSeries - New Thread

Tom,

I'm not talking about "bigger" or even "better" as I believe each language is like a tool and I like to use the right one for the job if possible. My arguments are from a businessman's perspective, specifically a CIO's perspective in the non-i5 world. And often his perspective translates where the CFO and CEO spend there money. My argument is if you want the platform to survive and increase market share consider the following:

I'd say just about all non-i5 centric CIOs would say (unless they are old like me)... "RPG???, you mean Rocket Propelled Grenade?" Someone would say after they've looks it up... "No, RPG means Report Program Generator which is the language that most people use on that platform." And the CIO would say... "Heavens, we can't consider a platform like that as its primary language is non-standard in the industry, not many programmers know that language and is a dying platform because it uses that language. Most apps now days are coding in languages like (rattles off the list you all know but not once will RPG be in that list)."

IMO, RPG, therefore, is a lodestone around the neck of the i5 and needs to be replaced or masked as fast as possible with a language most non-i5 CIOs understand and for which he/she can find people.

Dave

"Armbruster, Tom" <Tom.Armbruster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 4/14/2008 16:13 >>>
Now, let's not turn this into a "my language is bigger than your language" argument, although I agree it would be interesting. :-)

ASP.NET IS best suited for Microsoft operating systems to get the full "benefit" of the architecture. If the primary goal for an IBM i (that does sound weird) shop is to integrate web services with back end programs in native RPG, ILE, CL, etc., IMHO it does make more sense to utilize the Java based technologies native to OS/400 rather than introduce a "foreign language" to the process. If JSP doesn't fit the bill, I would personally implement a ColdFusion solution before jumping into ASP.NET.

This is just my opinion, but I believe that ASP.NET should be reserved for MS IIS where it excels. If the web facing solutions are hosted on IIS, then by all means, use whatever language is best suited for the shop. In my experience, however, MS solutions, although open ended, don't work and play well with others out of the box. There seems to be more finesse required to implement non-Microsoft based interfaces in ASP.NET than in other less restricted languages.

Tom Armbruster


________________________________

From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Dave Odom
Sent: Mon 4/14/2008 3:17 PM
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] ASP.NET and the iSeries - New Thread



Yep, we do. Ahhh, man, and I was looking forward to the naked mud wrestling. However, to the non-i5 centric IT world, they would say it was an illogical fight as they would side with me even though I might lose to you in the mud. I'll have to see what the URL is about.

Dave

"Aaron Bartell" <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx> 4/14/2008 14:50 >>>
Wish I had time to fight with you Dave, but we already know where that
goes. Someday we will have to do mud wrestling (not naked) and resolve this
RPG dispute that way :-)

Aaron "fully clothed in the mud" Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ ) <http://mowyourlawn.com/> ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ )

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Dave Odom <Dave.Odom@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As they say in the UK... SPOT ON, except for the RPG part!!

Dave Odom

"Aaron Bartell" <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx> 4/14/2008 14:37 >>>
I am sure that you will agree that ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> s best
suited
to be run on MS platforms, interaction with other MS products, Windows
Server, IIS, SQL..

You opened the door so I will walk through it:-) I have found Microsoft
products are *OK* with small scale stuff. As soon as you get further into
the enterprise level applications with the tiers written appropriately
then
all the neat things you get with Microsoft fade away quickly. Note this
isn't unique to Microsoft but is true about most application stacks out
there (i.e. RubyOnRails, JSF to some extent, etc). So if the code being
created by the drag and drop tooling is only good for proof of concepts
and
not real-world apps, then why not go with something (i.e. Java/RPG) that
can
run on a solid OS like "IBM i" (my first use of that on the forums, boy
that
felt weird :-)

Maybe you should ask yourself this question: Are you using ASP.NET in your
iSeries shop because that is what you know, or is it because it is the
best
solution for your business based on thorough evaluation of other
solutions?
I find it all to enticing to move to Microsoft because it is easy in the
beginning - not many shops plan ten years out anymore which is too bad.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ ) <http://mowyourlawn.com/> ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ ) ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ )





On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Maurice O'Prey <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Aaron

I am sure that you will agree that ASP.NET s best suited to be run on MS
platforms, interaction with other MS products, Windows Server, IIS, SQL
Server, Visual Studio, Expression, Blend, Ajax Toolkit etc being a key
point.

I don't see the need to migrate all of these over to the iSeries (and I
should imagine that this is not likely to ever happen) but native
hosting
of
the .NET framework would be an advantage IMHO

My main reason for this post was to provide a thread for people to ask
and
discuss technical questions about ASP.NET and the iSeries. I am fully
aware
that the list is comprehensive in other areas.


Maurice O'Prey







-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
Sent: 14 April 2008 21:34
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] ASP.NET and the iSeries - New Thread

A versus B is not an opinion, it is a comparison.

Why are you only interested in using ASP.NET *with* the iSeries versus
*on*
the iSeries?

Don't let past threads kill currently solid potentials.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ ) <http://mowyourlawn.com/> ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ ) ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ )


On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Maurice O'Prey <maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx

wrote:

Aaron

Let me re-iterate, we are not asking for opinions of A versus B in
this
thread. We are interested in using ASP.NET with the iSeries.

Regards

Maurice O'Prey


-----Original Message-----
From: web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:web400-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
Behalf Of Aaron Bartell
Sent: 14 April 2008 20:33
To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: [WEB400] ASP.NET and the iSeries - New Thread

It would be interesting to see if ASP.NET performed better/worse/same
as
JSP
on the iSeries. Richard has written some articles/sessions showing
how
to
run your ASP.NET natively under a Java app server. I am not sure if
it
is
an open source community effort (i.e. converter tool), but if you
could
run
ASP.NET in Tomcat on the iSeries I would consider that a huge benefit
over
running it in IIS on Windows.

Just some thoughts,
Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ ) <http://mowyourlawn.com/> ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ ) ( http://mowyourlawn.com/ )

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

wrote:

Mark Allen wrote:
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Maurice O'Prey <
maurice.oprey@xxxxxxxxx

wrote:


Hi Everyone

I would like to start a new thread specifically for users of
ASP.NETand
the
iSeries, System i5 and IBM i...

Are you interested? If so please reply and lets start talking, if
not
we'll
clear off somewhere else ;-)

P.S. Please note the subject of this thread, so no unnecessary
posts
please!

Kind Regards

Maurice O'Prey
XMLi5 Ltd.

And whatever you guys do, make sure you get the RJS folks involved.
I
think Richard's already forgotten more about .Net/i integration than
I
know.

Joe
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