Re: Ruby On Rails on the iSeries

From: Jerome Hughes

Both replies are completely unreasonable, show no sign of
comprehension of anything stated, no questions answered, no valid
points replacing the earlier trash, no actual ideas or knowledge
expressed. DRY.

Basically just doing your level best to attempt to ruin my night by
casting me as the anti-you, which I most emphatically am not. Please
find someone else to exercise this need against, or keep the need to
yourself.

Jerome, I am not the first person to cast doubts about RoR, nor will I be
the last.  Whether I'm right or wrong in my opinions, your consistent
approach of attacking the messenger rather than the message is not going to
do anything to strengthen your position.

Address my points.  Show me where RoR has been used to write
enterprise-level business logic.  Show me how it interfaces to other
languages, such as RPG.  Then I'll be interested in it for the SMB business
space that the midrange serves.

I could be wrong about the language.  My initial impression of EGL was
pretty ambivalent as well, until I saw that it actually added something to
the mix that I hadn't seen before: a WYSIWYG JSF editor that used
program-defined metadata.  When it added a clean interface to Java (and thus
to RPG), that made me think it could be used for SMB solutions.

Tools like Zope and RoR may be great, but if all they provide is the ability
to build yet another web-based, light database solution, then they're less
relevant to my clients.  Again, I may be wrong, but nothing in my admittedly
limited experience tells me it's any better for those things than Python is.


Anyway, remember that I'm actually one of the milder dissenters you will
have.  I've programmed in Python and I understand the Ruby syntax.  I may
not have programmed Rails, but I've done a lot of research.  You will get
people who push back on it just because it's new, and if this is your idea
of convincing such people, then I daresay you're probably going to fail
pretty miserably.

Okee dokee, enough.  You're the one who started with "(wrote this last
night, but held off sending it... also not looking for a debate, but perhaps
can present another view, my friend...)".  Please show the list more about
the language as you learn more.  I'm most interested in interfacing with
legacy databases and being able to call host programs, but I'm sure there
are others who will be interested in other capabilities.

Joe