Re: DDS Designer Window subfile -- WDSCI-L

Vern has the right idea, just click on the 'Draw records transparent'
toolbar icon above the design area.
You could argue that for subfiles this should always be on, but it is a
user preference and it ends up showing all records in the DSPF which is not
what you always want.
Screen Designer forced you to work with "Screens", DDS Designer allows you
to work with single records, since people were struggling with the screen
idea.
Creating a screen and checking off 'Draw records transparent' will do the
job for you.

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From: Vernon Hamberg <vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio
Client for System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Date: 10/10/2013 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] DDS Designer Window subfile
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Jeff

I think I knew what you meant about "not see any records other than" -
was just clarifying that you do see both subfile and control and can
edit only one.

But Ken's example had the WINDOW keyword with the 4 items to define it
there - not a separate window - he was seeing the window, and not the
subfile.

I found a DSPF on our system that did name a record in the WINDOW
keyword on the subfile control - that also showed the window - and I'm
using v9.0.0.1

So I don't know - so far this latest release is not giving me much of a
headache.

Vern

On 10/10/2013 11:23 AM, Jeff Young wrote:

Vern,
I understand that, but usually when a subfile is in a window, the window
record is separate from the control or subfile records.
when using the design record option, the window record is not loaded to

the

display. (at least that is what I have seen using 8.5.1).

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Vernon Hamberg
<vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

Jeff

Actually, if you select a subfile record in Design Records, its subfile
control record is displayed and not editable. And vice versa.

Ken was originally saying that these do not show when the subfile is in
a window - that also works fine for me in v9.

Vern

On 10/10/2013 11:14 AM, Jeff Young wrote:

Ken,
Are you using the Design Screens function or the Design Records?
If using Design Records, you will not see any records other than the

single

record you are working on.

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ken Killian <kkillian@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

Strange!

I happen to be using RDP 8.5, and it DOES NOT work, as I mentioned...

Went back to RDP 8.0.3, and it worked perfectly fine!!!

Have I ever mentioned what a @#$!@#$! Crappy release RDP 8.5 was?!?!?
<Rant Rant>

Sadly, that was the release I show a lot of the newbie, once again, no
wonder they said this is NOT Stable. Worked in Previous Release, but

NOT

this Release!

How I wish they would get me RDI 9.0

-Ken Killian-

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Ken

I just took your sample - I'm using 9.0.0.1 - and opened a new DSPF
member. Then I pasted it into the source tab. Went to the design tab,

then

clicked on SUBFILE - the window frame was there, along with the other

bits

from the CONTRL format.

The subfile is in green, the control is in gray.

I do have the "Draw records transparent" button pressed.

Might be a version difference - or be sure in your RDP to have pressed
that button before showing things off.

HTH
Vern

On 10/10/2013 8:42 AM, Ken Killian wrote:

Even when I pick "Design Screens" and add the Subfile/Control

formats.

The subfile is NOT shown inside the Window! WTF?!?!? I will have to

careful NOT to show this in my presentation! <LOL>

Back to Stable SDA, for designing this window subfile. At least it

works

there!

I wish there was a simple way to toggle between opening in DDS

Designer

& LPEX. Yes, I know about the File association to say open up with the

DDS

Designer. But, that is global.

Window>Preferences>General>Editors>File Associations> I have DSPF to

default to open with Screen Designer (DEFAULT).

Yeah, I click on the source table often for quick edits. But

sometimes,

it is nice to edit with good old LPEX.

-Ken Killian-

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[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tarr, Kenneth
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:17 AM
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Client

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Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] DDS Designer Window subfile

I have also experienced this behavior...

There are three tabs at the bottom of the design window, "Design",

"Source" and "Preview". Design is the area you actually work on. As

noted

below, you can only see one item at a time, so you can only look at

the

Subfile Control or the Subfile record. Source allows you to look at

the

source. You can work on edit changes here as well. Preview is where

you

can view the screens together, so here you should be able to view both

the

Subfile Control and Subfile records together. Only difference is that

you

can't make any edit changes. You would have to go back to the Design

tab

to do that.

For me the problem is that you have to go back and forth between the

two

to make sure you're not overlapping any fields. If I remember, CODE
Designer was much more flexible on this. So in my view, I believe

there

still is some desired functionality that was in CODE Designer that's

not in

DDS Designer. And if I recall right, CODE Designer was intuitive

enough to

know when you placed something on the screen as to which one it

belonged

to. It also did a better job of edit checking on the fly; that is,

knowing

if a name was already in use.

I'm not totally knocking DDS Designer; it does have some features

unique

to itself that makes it easier to work on some scenarios. But I

believe it

sets back development a bit when some of the nice features of CODE

Designer

didn't make their way to this one.

...and unfortunately, no one here has a copy of CODE anymore...yet

it's

funny to note RDi still shows it in the "Open with" list...

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[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Shaw
Sent: October 10, 2013 08:01 AM
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio

Client

for System i & iSeries
Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] DDS Designer Window subfile

Ken,

I see what you mean - on 9.0.0.1, Design Screens only shows either

the

CONTROL or the SUBFILE record, but not both. I checked it in CODE

Designer

(yep, still got the relic loaded), and it works as expected.

Dave Shaw

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From: Ken Killian <kkillian@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Rational Developer for IBM i / Websphere Development Studio

Client

for System i & iSeries <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: [WDSCI-L] DDS Designer Window subfile

Hi,

Using SDA for a subfile, window. I see the subfile inside the window!
<cool>

But, using the DDS Designer, the subfile is NOT placed in the window!

Yikes!

Am I missing something?

Here is extremely simple code to verify this:

A DSPSIZ(24 80 *NORMAL)
A R SUBFILE SFL
A OPT 1A O 3 2
A TEXT 20A O 3 5
A R CONTROL SFLCTL(SUBFILE)
A SFLDSP
A SFLSIZ( 24)
A SFLPAG(0005)
A WINDOW(2 2 15 30)
A 2 1'opt'
A 2 6'text'

Pardon this dumb down example. But it displays properly inside SDA.

Inside the DDS Designer the subfile is NOT shown in a window! What is

the

point of having a Visual Designer, when SDA works. But Ration

Developer

cannot display window!

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