RE: IBM Rational WebDeveloper forWebsphere SoftwareVersion 6.0

Tell that to the people that have been paying $2000/user for WSSD, which 
we get for free, and $5000/user for WSAD which we get for much less.

Mark

wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/05/2004 10:48:19 AM:

> Surely IBM would not try to add a license fee at this stage of the 
studio's 
> development. Problems due to the studio's immaturity (crashes, 
installation 
> problems, bugs, and slow performance are still too frequent) would make 
the 
> studio a hard sell if it carried an additional fee. I think the studio 
needs 
> to mature more before it can succeed as a separately licensed product. 
And 
> maybe by then it will be impressive enought that people don't mind 
paying the fee.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mark Phippard
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:28 AM
> To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] IBM Rational WebDeveloper forWebsphere
> SoftwareVersion 6.0
> 
> 
> I worry a little about this too, because I bet whomever was responsibile 

> for making WDSC "free" had to pull some strings to do so.  With Rational 

> likely responsible for showing their own contribution to the IBM bottom 
> line these "strings" could be cut and could go away. 
> 
> Here is why I do not think it will happen though:
> 
> 1)  I believe the iSeries people are committed to this and do what it 
> takes to continue it.  The same thing happened to them with WebSphere 
AS, 
> and by adopting Tomcat in OS/400 as a response they showed the WebSphere 

> people they are serious.  Lo and behold, we get WAS Express in the next 
> release.
> 
> 2)  IBM could always change the WDSC offering slightly.  For example, 
WDSC 
> could be based more on the Eclipse-base, instead of WSSD.  This would 
> remove some of the tooling we have today but still give us the core of 
> what we want.  There could then be a small upgrade fee to the full tools 

> and a larger fee for the advanced tools.
> 
> 3)  IBM recently contributed the majority of their web tools to 
> Eclipse.org.  So in the near future you will be able to get 90-95% of 
WSSD 
> as a free Eclipse offering.  This makes #2 that much easier for the 
> iSeries folks as a fallback option.
> 
> I actually think that WDSC might be a better product if IBM took this 
> latter approach.  It is nice that the people that need the tools in WSSD 

> and WSAD get those tools as part of WDSC, but I think the underlying 
> packaging involved in doing it that way somewhat handcuffs the WDSC 
> developers in the way that they deliver the product.  They could 
probably 
> produce a cleaner offering if they were just in complete control of the 
> packaging.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> wdsci-l-bounces+markp=softlanding.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/05/2004 
> 10:12:24 AM:
> 
> > With the introduction of Rational into the developers toolbox does
> > anyone foresee IBM trying to make these development tools "additional
> > charges" even if you have a compiler license?  I am just curious 
because
> > it would seem that the adoption of Rational products (which
> > automatically trigger $$ in my mind) might mean IBM would start
> > charging.  Hopefully it doesn't turn into the mess that happened with
> > charging for WAS Express.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:00 AM
> > To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> > Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] IBM Rational Web Developer forWebsphere
> > SoftwareVersion 6.0
> > 
> > Correct, it is the same basic product lines with new branding.  While 
we
> > are all tired of the constant name changes, a lot of us have 
complained
> > in the past that the "WebSphere" brand was used on too many products 
and
> > made things confusing.  So I do not really mind them using the
> > "Rational" brand to apply to their development tools.  AFAIK, WDSC is
> > going to remain WDSC for at least the next release.  I have not heard 
of
> > any plans to apply the Rational brand to it, although that would make
> > some sense for consistency.
> > 
> > I imagine that more of the tools that came from Rational will start to
> > make their way into the base offerings.  Rational still has their own
> > packages based on Eclipse that focus on their modelling and testing
> > tools. 
> >  Perhaps more "lite" versions of some of these features will make 
their
> > way into the WSSD/WSAD tools?
> > 
> > When all is said and done, this will just be the Eclipse 3.x-based
> > version of the same tools we have been using.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/05/2004 10:07:01 AM:
> > 
> > > >From what I can tell from the screen shots it looks like the 
Rational
> > > brand will be applied to the WSSD/WSAD/WDSC line, as opposed to the 
> > > Rational products replacing WebSphere Studio.  From what I've read 
> > > (both from IBM and from other sources), the Rational products 
weren't 
> > > particularly productive.
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > > From: Mark Phippard
> > > > 
> > > > It will likely be the foundation for WDSC 6.0.
> > 
> > 
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