RE: IBM Rational WebDeveloper forWebsphere SoftwareVersion 6.0

Surely IBM would not try to add a license fee at this stage of the studio's 
development. Problems due to the studio's immaturity (crashes, installation 
problems, bugs, and slow performance are still too frequent) would make the 
studio a hard sell if it carried an additional fee. I think the studio needs to 
mature more before it can succeed as a separately licensed product. And maybe 
by then it will be impressive enought that people don't mind paying the fee.

Kelly



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Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] IBM Rational WebDeveloper forWebsphere
SoftwareVersion 6.0


I worry a little about this too, because I bet whomever was responsibile 
for making WDSC "free" had to pull some strings to do so.  With Rational 
likely responsible for showing their own contribution to the IBM bottom 
line these "strings" could be cut and could go away. 

Here is why I do not think it will happen though:

1)  I believe the iSeries people are committed to this and do what it 
takes to continue it.  The same thing happened to them with WebSphere AS, 
and by adopting Tomcat in OS/400 as a response they showed the WebSphere 
people they are serious.  Lo and behold, we get WAS Express in the next 
release.

2)  IBM could always change the WDSC offering slightly.  For example, WDSC 
could be based more on the Eclipse-base, instead of WSSD.  This would 
remove some of the tooling we have today but still give us the core of 
what we want.  There could then be a small upgrade fee to the full tools 
and a larger fee for the advanced tools.

3)  IBM recently contributed the majority of their web tools to 
Eclipse.org.  So in the near future you will be able to get 90-95% of WSSD 
as a free Eclipse offering.  This makes #2 that much easier for the 
iSeries folks as a fallback option.

I actually think that WDSC might be a better product if IBM took this 
latter approach.  It is nice that the people that need the tools in WSSD 
and WSAD get those tools as part of WDSC, but I think the underlying 
packaging involved in doing it that way somewhat handcuffs the WDSC 
developers in the way that they deliver the product.  They could probably 
produce a cleaner offering if they were just in complete control of the 
packaging.

Mark


wdsci-l-bounces+markp=softlanding.com@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/05/2004 
10:12:24 AM:

> With the introduction of Rational into the developers toolbox does
> anyone foresee IBM trying to make these development tools "additional
> charges" even if you have a compiler license?  I am just curious because
> it would seem that the adoption of Rational products (which
> automatically trigger $$ in my mind) might mean IBM would start
> charging.  Hopefully it doesn't turn into the mess that happened with
> charging for WAS Express.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> 
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:00 AM
> To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] IBM Rational Web Developer forWebsphere
> SoftwareVersion 6.0
> 
> Correct, it is the same basic product lines with new branding.  While we
> are all tired of the constant name changes, a lot of us have complained
> in the past that the "WebSphere" brand was used on too many products and
> made things confusing.  So I do not really mind them using the
> "Rational" brand to apply to their development tools.  AFAIK, WDSC is
> going to remain WDSC for at least the next release.  I have not heard of
> any plans to apply the Rational brand to it, although that would make
> some sense for consistency.
> 
> I imagine that more of the tools that came from Rational will start to
> make their way into the base offerings.  Rational still has their own
> packages based on Eclipse that focus on their modelling and testing
> tools. 
>  Perhaps more "lite" versions of some of these features will make their
> way into the WSSD/WSAD tools?
> 
> When all is said and done, this will just be the Eclipse 3.x-based
> version of the same tools we have been using.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 11/05/2004 10:07:01 AM:
> 
> > >From what I can tell from the screen shots it looks like the Rational
> > brand will be applied to the WSSD/WSAD/WDSC line, as opposed to the 
> > Rational products replacing WebSphere Studio.  From what I've read 
> > (both from IBM and from other sources), the Rational products weren't 
> > particularly productive.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > > From: Mark Phippard
> > > 
> > > It will likely be the foundation for WDSC 6.0.
> 
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