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I would like to see IBM put a stake in the ground...and move on from there. And that bell is already tolling...IMO because people don't understand what the iSeries is today. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ? > From: MWalter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Thu, September 02, 2004 8:49 am > To: "Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries" > <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > If you take away the backward compatibility, you have an OS Like Windows > where you have to rewrite your applications every time you upgrade. This > would be the death toll for the iSeries. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > Mark D. Walter > Senior Programmer/Analyst > CCX, Inc. > mwalter@xxxxxxxxxx > http://www.ccxinc.com > > > |---------+----------------------------------------------------> > | | michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | | Sent by: | > | | wdsci-l-bounces+mwalter=hanoverwire.com@m| > | | idrange.com | > | | | > | | | > | | 09/02/2004 08:33 AM | > | | Please respond to Websphere Development | > | | Studio Client for iSeries | > | | | > |---------+----------------------------------------------------> > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > | > | > | To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries > <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> | > | cc: > | > | Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ? > | > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > I agree...IBM should not bother to support RPG/400 with WDSC. As others > have pointed out, and others will certainly disagree, I think one of > the biggest problems with the AS/400 is the backward compatibility. If > one can run programs written in RPG/II for a System/3 on the latest i5 > running i5/OS...people will. The AS/400 community is not one to embrace > change - that's why you have 15,000+ objects and 35 programmers stuck in > the 80s. And as Paul mentioned, that's why management moves to > Windows... > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ? > > From: "Dijk, Bas v" <bvdijk@xxxxxxxxx> > > Date: Thu, September 02, 2004 8:08 am > > To: "Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries" > > <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Guys, guys, I fully agree on the outdated part but let me explain: > > > > - Currently we use LANSA for development > > - The 'old' stuff is done in RPG/400 (or older), we are talking about > > 15.000+ objects > > - Totaly re-writing to LANSA simply takes far to much time so we have to > > live with RPG/400 for the old stuff > > - Whenever a change or bugfix has something to do with old code we > > simply try to determine which takes more time: > > - Change the old code, or > > - Re-write in LANSA > > - The main reasons for NOT converting the RPG/400 stuff to RPG/IV is: > > - this would mean re-educate 35 people for RPG/IV (I would then > > personally chose C ) > > - We start to work with yet another language which does not realy > > improve transparency > > > > Again: I fully agree on converting, but how do I convince 35 people to > > learn RPG/IV? > > > > BTW: Michael, I don't think I will be able to deal with it! WDSci is > > said to support RPG/400 (and it does (a bit)). So, my opinion is: > > Support it for 100% or don't bother! > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Namens Colin Williams > > Verzonden: donderdag 2 september 2004 13:36 > > Aan: 'Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries' > > Onderwerp: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ? > > > > Joep, > > > > Presumable its because not all of their programmmers are comfortable > > with RPGIV. > > > > RPGIV has been out for almost 10 years? I cant believe that this kind of > > thinking is still around. > > > > If a programmer hasn't picked up a version of their chosen language that > > has been around for 10 years, what does that say about their skills. > > They are at least 10 years out of date! > > > > cheers > > Colin.W > > > > Extension 5800 > > Direct dial 0870 429 5800 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: J.Beckeringh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:J.Beckeringh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: 02 September 2004 12:19 > > To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries > > Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ? > > > > > > Bas, > > > > >1. > > >Take a look at http://search.experts-exchange.com and you'll know what > > I > > >mean with 'forum like set-up' > > > > Hm. You can turn the question around: why doesn't this site list OS/400? > > > > As for forums for iSeries: goto > > <http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/isnforums/>. > > > > >3, 6. > > >For my company it is NOT an option to convert to RPG IV (as much as > > >I'll like to) so you can imagine that I am somewhat frustrated to be > > >forced to work with RPG/400 and on top of that find out that using > > >WDSci for this is simply not complete. > > > > Why is converting not an option? After conversion you have exactly the > > same program, in a slightly different format, that is most probably > > easier > > to read. Only disadvantage I can think of is that you can't easily copy > > fragments of code from one format to the other. If you think RPG IV is > > 'new': it is older than Windows 95. Imagine a company for which it is > > not > > an option to replace Windows 3.1 with something more modern. > > > > Joep Beckeringh > > _______________________________________________ > > This is the Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries (WDSCI-L) > > mailing list To post a message email: WDSCI-L@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe, > > unsubscribe, or change list options, > > visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo/wdsci-l > > or email: WDSCI-L-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives > > at http://archive.midrange.com/wdsci-l. > > > > This e-mail has been sent by a company of Bertram Group Ltd, whose > > registered office is 1 Broadland Business Park, Norwich, NR7 0WF. > > This message, and any attachments, are intended solely for the addressee > > and may contain privileged or confidential information. 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