RE: Some obvious questions on WDSci ?

I agree...IBM should not bother to support RPG/400 with WDSC. As others
have pointed out, and others will certainly disagree, I think one of
the biggest problems with the AS/400 is the backward compatibility. If
one can run programs written in RPG/II for a System/3 on the latest i5
running i5/OS...people will. The AS/400 community is not one to embrace
change - that's why you have 15,000+ objects and 35 programmers stuck in
the 80s. And as Paul mentioned, that's why management moves to
Windows...

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ?
> From: "Dijk, Bas v" <bvdijk@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, September 02, 2004 8:08 am
> To: "Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries"
> <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Guys, guys, I fully agree on the outdated part but let me explain:
> 
> - Currently we use LANSA for development
> - The 'old' stuff is done in RPG/400 (or older), we are talking about
> 15.000+ objects
> - Totaly re-writing to LANSA simply takes far to much time so we have to
> live with RPG/400 for the old stuff
> - Whenever a change or bugfix has something to do with old code we
> simply try to determine which takes more time:
>   - Change the old code, or
>   - Re-write in LANSA
> - The main reasons for NOT converting the RPG/400 stuff to RPG/IV is:
>   - this would mean re-educate 35 people for RPG/IV (I would then
> personally chose C )
>   - We start to work with yet another language which does not realy
> improve transparency
> 
> Again: I fully agree on converting, but how do I convince 35 people to
> learn RPG/IV?
> 
> BTW: Michael, I don't think I will be able to deal with it! WDSci is
> said to support RPG/400 (and it does (a bit)). So, my opinion is:
> Support it for 100% or don't bother!
> 
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Namens Colin Williams
> Verzonden: donderdag 2 september 2004 13:36
> Aan: 'Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries'
> Onderwerp: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ?
> 
> Joep,
> 
> Presumable its because not all of their programmmers are comfortable
> with RPGIV.
> 
> RPGIV has been out for almost 10 years? I cant believe that this kind of
> thinking is still around. 
> 
> If a programmer hasn't picked up a version of their chosen language that
> has been around for 10 years, what does that say about their skills.
> They are at least 10 years out of date!
> 
> cheers
> Colin.W
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: J.Beckeringh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:J.Beckeringh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 02 September 2004 12:19
> To: Websphere Development Studio Client for iSeries
> Subject: RE: [WDSCI-L] Some obvious questions on WDSci ?
> 
> 
> Bas,
> 
> >1.
> >Take a look at http://search.experts-exchange.com and you'll know what
> I
> >mean with 'forum like set-up'
> 
> Hm. You can turn the question around: why doesn't this site list OS/400?
> 
> As for forums for iSeries: goto 
> <http://www.iseriesnetwork.com/isnforums/>.
> 
> >3, 6.
> >For my company it is NOT an option to convert to RPG IV (as much as 
> >I'll like to) so you can imagine that I am somewhat frustrated to be 
> >forced to work with RPG/400 and on top of that find out that using 
> >WDSci for this is simply not complete.
> 
> Why is converting not an option? After conversion you have exactly the 
> same program, in a slightly different format, that is most probably
> easier 
> to read. Only disadvantage I can think of is that you can't easily copy 
> fragments of code from one format to the other. If you think RPG IV is 
> 'new': it is older than Windows 95. Imagine a company for which it is
> not 
> an option to replace Windows 3.1 with something more modern.
> 
> Joep Beckeringh
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