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Guys, I wouldnt mind a long email about replies to Tim's questions. I'd be interested how others are handling these -----Original Message----- From: jbausers-l-request@midrange.com [mailto:jbausers-l-request@midrange.com] Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2003 10:01 PM To: jbausers-l@midrange.com Subject: JBAUSERS-L Digest, Vol 1, Issue 416 Send JBAUSERS-L mailing list submissions to jbausers-l@midrange.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jbausers-l-request@midrange.com You can reach the person managing the list at jbausers-l-owner@midrange.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of JBAUSERS-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: [SYS21] Change Management 2. RE: [SYS21] Change Management (Heffner, Art) 3. Over receipt (Andrew Fearn) 4. RE: Over receipt (Tim Randall) 5. RE: 6. Costing on System 21 (Tim Randall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:29:09 -0500 From: Jeff_Klipa/Harvard@harvardind.com To: CN=GEAC/O=JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Subject: RE: [SYS21] Change Management Message-ID: <85256CAF.00632730.00@fhms01.harvardind.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Message: 1 You could use the Technical Reference included on the JBA Exploder CD for these 2 specific tasks... It's free and does an adequate job... "Heffner, Art" <aheffner@pts-tools.com> on 01/15/2003 11:46:28 AM Please respond to "GEAC/JBA System 21 Users" <jbausers-l@midrange.com> To: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> cc: (bcc: Jeff Klipa/Harvard) Subject RE: [SYS21] Change Management : We find the field/file where used in Hawkeye very useful for finding what programs modify a field. It is also useful for finding what programs call a program. Art Heffner Production Tool Supply -----Original Message----- From: DBarry@dawnfoods.com [mailto:DBarry@dawnfoods.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:09 AM To: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users Subject: RE: [SYS21] Change Management A cross reference would only be needed if you were planning to change base System 21 application files. We have Aldon and yes they only index what we have modified. As a standard practice we do not modify base application data files. Dave Barry <richard.evans@del taapparel.com> To: <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Location of cc: Author: Subject: RE: [SYS21] Change Management Sent by: jbausers-l-bounces @midrange.com 01/15/03 10:30 AM Please respond to GEAC/JBA System 21 Users You are correct -- however the cross referencing does tie into source control. As I recall Softlanding Turnover would look and automatically check out appropriate program objects whenever a file was checked out, but this may have been an interface to Hawkeye. It has been too long since I've used change management! -----Original Message----- From: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:59 AM To: "GEAC/JBA System 21 Users" <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Subject: RE: [SYS21] Change Management You're talking about apples and oranges here, Richard, but I think it's a worthwhile discussion. Change management helps ease the pain of migrating custom (bespoke) objects from environment to environment (dev to QA to live, for instance). It also helps manage multiple development requirements for one program, by allowing you to merge two sets of mods together. The leading products in this area are from Aldon, Silvon, and SoftLandings. The file/field/program relationships you're talking about are documented by a Cross Reference utility, offered by Hawkeye and ASC, among others. I've participated in using both Aldon, Silvon, and Hawkeye products at JBA installations. There are several ways to work around the library situation. You can either specify a replacement library list, for the utility to look through when it can't find OSLINX3, or you can just recompile your entire system, which is a bit scary but a good exercise if you have the time. Richard, feel free to contact me off line if you would like more information about what it takes to do this. Stefan Jansson stefan.jansson@eljer.com Eljer (not a S/21 customer) P.S. You're right that it would be nice for JBA/Geac to offer or have offered assistance in this area. As a matter of fact, I pushed for that when I was with The Firm, but to deaf ears. I guess they feel like their technical documentation is sufficient. -----Original Message----- From: richard.evans@deltaapparel.com [mailto:richard.evans@deltaapparel.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:36 AM To: jbausers-l@midrange.com Subject: [SYS21] Change Management Has anyone with source successfully configured a change management system to index all of the file/field/program relationships in GEAC? Given the number of libraries, and that PTFs are compiled from non-existent ones (although source is hopefully moved to the appropriate location) , I would think the initial mapping would be a nightmare if not impossible. However, if successful, time saved on research might make up for it. I searched the archives prior to posting and did find one company (Fossil) using Aldon but, as I interpreted it, they were only indexing modified objects. Another company (Sara Lee) was beginning the mapping process last May. If successful I'd like to know the package, how difficult the configuration was, and whether the vendor assisted with the mapping (wouldn't it be nice if a vendor offered a GEAC template?) Thanks, Richard Richard.Evans@DeltaApparel.com _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. << File: RFC822.TXT >> _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:34:48 -0500 From: "Heffner, Art" <aheffner@pts-tools.com> To: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Subject: RE: [SYS21] Change Management Message-ID: <817E82F5D62FD311A70100104BC733D7020C331D@thetools-store.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Message: 2 That is true, as long as you do not have custom programs. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff_Klipa/Harvard@harvardind.com [mailto:Jeff_Klipa/Harvard@harvardind.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:29 PM To: CN=GEAC/O=JBA System 21 Users Subject: RE: [SYS21] Change Management You could use the Technical Reference included on the JBA Exploder CD for these 2 specific tasks... It's free and does an adequate job... "Heffner, Art" <aheffner@pts-tools.com> on 01/15/2003 11:46:28 AM Please respond to "GEAC/JBA System 21 Users" <jbausers-l@midrange.com> To: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> cc: (bcc: Jeff Klipa/Harvard) Subject RE: [SYS21] Change Management : We find the field/file where used in Hawkeye very useful for finding what programs modify a field. It is also useful for finding what programs call a program. Art Heffner Production Tool Supply -----Original Message----- From: DBarry@dawnfoods.com [mailto:DBarry@dawnfoods.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:09 AM To: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users Subject: RE: [SYS21] Change Management A cross reference would only be needed if you were planning to change base System 21 application files. We have Aldon and yes they only index what we have modified. As a standard practice we do not modify base application data files. Dave Barry <richard.evans@del taapparel.com> To: <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Location of cc: Author: Subject: RE: [SYS21] Change Management Sent by: jbausers-l-bounces @midrange.com 01/15/03 10:30 AM Please respond to GEAC/JBA System 21 Users You are correct -- however the cross referencing does tie into source control. As I recall Softlanding Turnover would look and automatically check out appropriate program objects whenever a file was checked out, but this may have been an interface to Hawkeye. It has been too long since I've used change management! -----Original Message----- From: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:59 AM To: "GEAC/JBA System 21 Users" <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Subject: RE: [SYS21] Change Management You're talking about apples and oranges here, Richard, but I think it's a worthwhile discussion. Change management helps ease the pain of migrating custom (bespoke) objects from environment to environment (dev to QA to live, for instance). It also helps manage multiple development requirements for one program, by allowing you to merge two sets of mods together. The leading products in this area are from Aldon, Silvon, and SoftLandings. The file/field/program relationships you're talking about are documented by a Cross Reference utility, offered by Hawkeye and ASC, among others. I've participated in using both Aldon, Silvon, and Hawkeye products at JBA installations. There are several ways to work around the library situation. You can either specify a replacement library list, for the utility to look through when it can't find OSLINX3, or you can just recompile your entire system, which is a bit scary but a good exercise if you have the time. Richard, feel free to contact me off line if you would like more information about what it takes to do this. Stefan Jansson stefan.jansson@eljer.com Eljer (not a S/21 customer) P.S. You're right that it would be nice for JBA/Geac to offer or have offered assistance in this area. As a matter of fact, I pushed for that when I was with The Firm, but to deaf ears. I guess they feel like their technical documentation is sufficient. -----Original Message----- From: richard.evans@deltaapparel.com [mailto:richard.evans@deltaapparel.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:36 AM To: jbausers-l@midrange.com Subject: [SYS21] Change Management Has anyone with source successfully configured a change management system to index all of the file/field/program relationships in GEAC? Given the number of libraries, and that PTFs are compiled from non-existent ones (although source is hopefully moved to the appropriate location) , I would think the initial mapping would be a nightmare if not impossible. However, if successful, time saved on research might make up for it. I searched the archives prior to posting and did find one company (Fossil) using Aldon but, as I interpreted it, they were only indexing modified objects. Another company (Sara Lee) was beginning the mapping process last May. If successful I'd like to know the package, how difficult the configuration was, and whether the vendor assisted with the mapping (wouldn't it be nice if a vendor offered a GEAC template?) Thanks, Richard Richard.Evans@DeltaApparel.com _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. << File: RFC822.TXT >> _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. _______________________________________________ This is the GEAC/JBA System 21 Users (JBAUSERS-L) mailing list To post a message email: JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com To subscribe, unsubscribe, or change list options, visit: http://lists.midrange.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/jbausers-l or email: JBAUSERS-L-request@midrange.com Before posting, please take a moment to review the archives at http://archive.midrange.com/jbausers-l. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:09:41 -0000 From: Andrew Fearn <afearn@pattonair.com> To: "'GEAC/JBA System 21 Users'" <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Subject: [SYS21] Over receipt Message-ID: <A137515C819BD411888200B0D049C242856E5F@BMAIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Message: 3 Can anybody remind me where the detail to control over receipt is against a PO Cheers *************************************************************************** Important - Please read *************************************************************************** The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the company. 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Thanks and regards ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:54:55 -0000 From: Tim Randall <TRandall@centura.co.uk> To: jbausers-l@midrange.com Subject: [SYS21] Costing on System 21 Message-ID: <2B5A8965768CD311AD304000000052000237EDDB@MID-MAIL1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: GEAC/JBA System 21 Users <jbausers-l@midrange.com> Message: 6 Apologies for this long email !! Our finance team here are carrying out a project to review their Costing processes / use of System 21. They would like to get some feedback on the following questions - particularly from UK-based users. Rather than answering all these directly, please could you contact me if you think you could help with this and we can discuss these points in more detail off-line. many thanks in anticipation Tim Randall Snr Business Analyst Centura Foods Ltd Middlewich Cheshire UK +44 (0)1606 830434 Questions for Other JBA Users Stock reconciliation's How often do you reconcile inventory to General Ledger - What issues arise ? Do you use JBA reports to investigate differences or do you use other methods ? Which reports do you use or what methods do you use and how effective are they ? Does stock being valued at zero ( i.e transfers to a stockroom at nil value) cause any issues ? If it does cause issues how are they resolved ? Stock Valuations Do you value your stock on JBA including Direct Labour and Overheads ? If not how do you add in the non material costs ? Controls Are shop floor disciplines good or do issues arise which effect accuracy of costs and stock values ? How do you overcome any issues arising ? Who controls setting up of new stockrooms ? Does this cause any issues and how are they resolved ? Do you have items that can be both either bought in or manufactured in house ? If so does this cause any specific issues ? How are the issues overcome ? Who controls the M/P flag on the item master ? Costing Methods Which costing method(s) do you use ? If standard how often do you revalue standards ? Does this cause any issues with stock valuation ? How do you analyse/report price variances ? If you use average costing does the way system sometimes calculates the average cost cause you any issues ? How do you resolve these issues ? Have you always used the same costing method ? If not why did you change ? Invoice Posting Do you have any problems caused by the three way match of invoices for materials other than those caused by keying errors ? How do you resolve the problems arising ? Budgets / Forecasts Do you Budget / Forecast using JBA ? If so how do you prepare Budgets / Forecasts ? If not how do you Budget / Forecast ? Do you have access to other versions of Bills of Materials other than one in current use ? If so how do you make use of them ? Stock Reporting Do you use JBA reports or have you developed another method of reporting stock information ( Quantity and Value) ? How do you track stock movements during a period ? A.F.I How fully do you use AFI ? Do you use manufacturing AFI ? How often do you run AFI extracts ? Does use of AFI cause any issues and how do you resolve them ? Staffing How is your costing section organised ? Are responsibilities allocated across sites or by GL Balance Sheet accounts ? ======================================================= This email, its content and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. 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