Re: RPG - I'm not dead yet!

why the heck do we have a bif for xml parsing when a service program is

all we need

Right.
Thats why we still have green screens, because "we" were "waiting" for an
EXWEBPAGE opcode.
Or something like that.
The RPG community wants "native" UI, whatever that means (yes EXFMT).
It's another world now, since the 90's (see my reference to client/server).

Most RPG developers, in my experience, are not developers.
They are office workers, doing what has to be done that day, from 9 to 5.
If anybody here is insulted by this observation, i'm sorry.
It's a fact. Most people on this list *are* developers.
But that is not enough, it's 1%.

I still remember people like Paul Conte, in the 80's, advocating free
format.
Only since 2001....
Free format!
Nobody in the rest of the development world knows what "free format" is,
although they use it every day.

I once made a simple preprocessor for RPGII, in my spare time.
I could annotate a field in a subroutine as "local".
The pre-processor would rename the field such that it was local for that
subroutine.
Very simple.
But i didn't use it, i even didn't bother to introduce it to my co-workers.
Why that is should be clear by now.










On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Schmidt, Mihael <
Mihael.Schmidt@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Most RPG programmers are MUCH TOO religious about their programming
language. IMO it comes from no exposure to other languages or environments
and from just not knowing. IMO RPG is not as advanced as it could/should
have been. Which is not always something the compiler team could (or should)
solve (why the heck do we have a bif for xml parsing when a service program
is all we need) but which should have been engaged by the community or the
IBM dev team. We need libraries/service programs to work with, we need
building blocks on which to build our software.

Mihael

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On Behalf Of john e
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 9:39 AM
To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i
Subject: Re: RPG - I'm not dead yet!

For the record, i'm not ANTI RPG.

I'm annoyed when people keep saying it's "the best business language in the
world".
Or something like that.
I want to know why.

This is not trolling.

I try to make real arguments.

But to what effect, i don't know.
It's now far too late, RPG is - still - the language of the platform, and
this will not change of course.

We as a developer community could've urged IBM (but 80's beginning 90's) to
introduce a decent language.
Instead, we were discussing free or not to free, while in the 90's the
whole
client/server revolution passed by.

I don't have a problem with RPG, i mean it's a tool, another progra,
nothing
more.

But the inertia of the AS/400 developers community.
Thats what i "hate".

But for the record: i do NOT hate.
I nag





On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:08 PM, sjl <sjl_abc@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

John -

If you hate RPG so much, why are you participating in the RPG-400 mailing
list?

I have one word to describe you:
TROLL

- sjl


john e wrote:
Henrik,

You now (and all others) also know my year of birth (1968), and my first
christian name (jacobus).

I'm not planning to reveal much more.
Maybe i'm afraid of my co workers, who would like to bash me in the face
for
my "anti-RPG" speak (i would like to call it objective).
You never know, in this world...



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